sean mclennan wrote:My post was, only in part, directed to you.
You refer to not getting this crappy audio that people are talking about (with these other cameras). Are you experiencing this on a BM camera yourself? I mean, do you have personal experience with this issue on a BM camera?
Ah I see, I admit that I thought you were wagging your finger at me, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Yes, I'm experiencing some of the same issues (DC offset), but I can still get a decent recording using a portable mixer, I'm starting to think that it's down to poor circuit design. That said, no, I don't expect this camera to sound like some of the better video cameras, but I do expect it to sound better than a DSLR.
sean mclennan wrote:Marketing materials aside, because come on...show me any company that has ever said their features weren't "industry leading/standard/class" etc, audio is NOT the priority with a cinema camera. Which I reiterated, not for your education Shawn, but for some others in this post.
Reminds me of something a friend of mine said a long time ago. "There are lies, there are damned lies and there are statistics... but if you really want to see the cursed hand of Satan himself on the mortal world, read a spec written by Marketing." He was a technical writer, BTW... so point taken.
sean mclennan wrote:The screams of injustice, in the vast majority, continuously draw comparisons to video cameras. Which is why I went on my little rant. I wouldn't trade all of those features and conveniences for the video image these cameras produce. It's not a relative comparison, regardless of price.
I think that's fair. But I also think there's a range from incoherent screaming to reasonable critique. It seems like everyone who wants some sort of resolution to the audio issues get's lumped into one group (the uniformed crybabies, if you will)... so, while I don't expect the BMD cameras to sound like a Nagara LB, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask BMD to fix the audio issue they do have. I realize that they're working on firmware fixes, but I also sympathize with folks who would appreciate a better communications strategy from BMD... I just want audio meters, regardless of how good or bad these cameras sound. If it can't be done, that's okay too.
sean mclennan wrote:The Panasonics, Sonys and Canons have better audio. Congratulations. They've been making video cameras for more than 20 years, I would hope they have all the bugs sorted out. They do have ALL the bugs sorted out right?
God no, they are as flawed as anyone can reasonably expect. In some ways better than BMD, in other ways worse... much worse. But you know... we scream at them too.
sean mclennan wrote:BMCC 2.5 is the first camera BM has ever made. While unfortunate, it's entirely possible they ended up with a substandard audio component in the mix. The fact that the issue appears to be resolved on the 4K would certainly support that hypothesis. If so, there's no much that can be done now. There is only so much you can do in software.
Sure, would love to hear that from them though. If it can't be done, no worries... but tell us, either way.
sean mclennan wrote:You say you don't hear the difference between your Tascam DR-60D (which btw, how the hell are you doing living recording with that? ie: stepped level adj) and the AF100. I don't hear much difference between my BMCC and my Marantz PMD661 either.
I don't change volume during recording... had that drilled into me by an audio engineer at an early age. It's a case where process protects me from poor gain design (sad huh?). How are you getting audio into the BMCC... some sort of mixer I assume, are you doing dual system at all then?
sean mclennan wrote:I think a lot of people bought a promise, not a camera. The let down that their purchase didn't turn them into instant heroes has led them to BM's door with pitchforks and torches.
I don't disagree, but I also think there's room for reasonable critique.
Shawn