New Firmware....

I tried to compare it to a ProRes Film still but there didn't appear to be much of a difference in the dynamic range, just a little extra.

There is at least 1 to 2 stops more dr in raw on the 4k. Doing some tests right now. Very obvious difference.

Gotta love how one person says "doesn't appear to be much of a difference," and another guy says "very obvious difference. 1 to 2 stops more dr in the raw..."

Please, stop with the hyperbole. Probably the only really important thing of note is this:

As far as Dynamic Range goes with the RAW files, there was no room to move with the shadows. As soon as I pushed them up even slightly, the FPN pattern was there, literally lurking in the shadows.

I know BMD hasn't even acknowledged that it's a problem yet (or have they, and they just haven't promised a fix?), but this is by far the biggest problem with the camera. An extra stop of DR would be nice of course, but if there are ugly lines all over your image, it's still useless for any real work.

BM is definitly hiddin it from us for some unknown reason... BUT nobody is asking why in that new 1.8, aint their no firmware to give the Pocket finaly ita 60 FPS. Im tired of waiting for that upgrade, it aint that hard to make the Pocket 60 FPS enable! Jes... Chri...

Someone out there who can show me the difference between the earlier Firmware and the New one at these 2 Points ?

• Improved debayering when shooting to ProRes or DNxHD
and
• Improved ISO handling when shooting at ISO 1600

Best Wishes

I take back that there is 1 - 2 stops of obvious more range. I would say there is no extra stops while shooting at all but you can recover quite a bit in post as opposed to the prores


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I take back that there is 1 - 2 stops of obvious more range. I would say there is no extra stops while shooting at all but you can recover quite a bit in post as opposed to the prores


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In short no point in shooting RAW other than for White Balance controls?


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I take back that there is 1 - 2 stops of obvious more range. I would say there is no extra stops while shooting at all but you can recover quite a bit in post as opposed to the prores


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In short no point in shooting RAW other than for White Balance controls?


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The image looks sharper and the colors look slightly better. I think I would shoot RAW for that alone. If your looking to eek out an extra stop or two of latitude, your not going to get it unfortunately. My tests have only been under exposed images so far though. Wonder how much of a difference it will make on a perfectly exposed scene...

So BMD said that what we got last night wasn't the official release....Anyone have any thoughts on that? Is it like the golden master or just another beta. And also, how much longer do we have to wait for the official announcement! How could they take this away from us?!


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So BMD said that what we got last night wasn't the official release...

Apparently it was leaked beta of some kind... BMD is not very happy about it, and said it "would not support it" (I wonder what that means)... they might lock it where if you have it installed they might not let you upgrade... or worse, brick my camera on upgrading...

they might lock it where if you have it installed they might not let you upgrade... or worse, brick my camera on upgrading...

I doubt it.

How would the "beta testers" update their cameras then if that was the case?

good to see some progress with it at least.

At least the rest of the world (besides Frank, lol) knows whats happening!

Is there any way to download a copy of the firmware?

So BMD said that what we got last night wasn't the official release...

they might lock it where if you have it installed they might not let you upgrade... or worse, brick my camera on upgrading...

I doubt it. That would be a monumental own goal.

BM is definitly hiddin it from us for some unknown reason... BUT nobody is asking why in that new 1.8, aint their no firmware to give the Pocket finaly ita 60 FPS. Im tired of waiting for that upgrade, it aint that hard to make the Pocket 60 FPS enable! Jes... Chri...

If I understand correctly, it's very hard indeed, as the hardware does not support it.

So BMD said that what we got last night wasn't the official release...

Apparently it was leaked beta of some kind... BMD is not very happy about it, and said it "would not support it" (I wonder what that means)... they might lock it where if you have it installed they might not let you upgrade... or worse, brick my camera on upgrading...

Yeah I am not worried at all about bricking the cameras. I think what we got a taste of last night is the golden master since the read me had all the specs for an official announcement . I could be wrong though.

My guess is they were planing a big reveal at their LA event tomorrow!

My guess is they were planing a big reveal at their LA event tomorrow!

Yeah probably. It would be cool to get Resolve 11 tomorrow also!

Actually it was a smart move from BMD.

Now, as we all actually are REAL beta testers now, our tests could help BMD to improve easily.

Maybe they did it just to shut some of us up.


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I will wait a couple of days... I'm utterly fearless when it comes to updating firmware-

I'm glad to see the grid pattern was addressed for the pocket

FPN? Anyone?

I'm glad to see the grid pattern was addressed for the pocket

Yeah, gives me hope the the FPN on the 4k could potentially be fixed with firmware...

I'm glad to see the grid pattern was addressed for the pocket

We will wait and see what "improved" really means.

FPN? Anyone?

FPN has not improved at all.

FPN? Anyone?

FPN has not improved at all.

Ok, thats to bad. This is not an early beta version as someone suggests, its the final version, it will be official in a couple of days.
Can someone say what is included for the bmcc?

FPN? Anyone?

FPN has not improved at all.

Ok, thats to bad. This is not an early beta version as someone suggests, its the final version, it will be official in a couple of days.
Can someone say what is included for the bmcc?

Blackmagic Cinema Camera

• Updated user interface
• Adds autofocus support for compatible EF lenses
• Improved debayering when shooting to ProRes or DNxHD
• Improved focus peaking display
• Improved ISO handling when shooting at ISO 1600
• Improved general audio performance
• Iris setting is retained when switching between camera recording and clip playback

This is not an early beta version as someone suggests, its the final version, it will be official in a couple of days.

Based on what are you making this claim?

FPN? Anyone?

FPN has not improved at all.

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

Apparently the firmware (BMPC 4K) was online for a moment.

http://nofilmschool.com/2014/06/blackma ... mware-1-8/

Guys well i just downgrade my firm again to 1.6.2 after i saw the post of blackmagic saying that this wasn't an official release and everything was fine i complete the installation without any problem off course i get the normal flickering screen that you get when you just install a new firm

the camera was fine i turn the camera on and off 2 times and everything was perfect just like this morning before i install the other update which i tough was official before blackmagic say that wasn't

suddenly i got a weird behavior i try to turn off the camera and suddenly she try to turn off and she turn on again by herself showing an weird green screen look like a matrix sort of image i though i that i just brick the camera then i change from prores hd to 4k and that correct the green screen but when i tried to turn it off again i see the same ting then i decide to shoot a video and then played in the camera to see if that help i did it, then more green and grey colors on screen when i try to playback what i just record after that i had to leave the camera on in the table for few minutes i came back later and then i finally could turned off the camera few minutes later i turned on again and now looks to be fine

i don't know if this is normal to happen after you install a new firm which in this case is downgrade but well now she looks normal again to me works perfectly if i get again post an update

Apparently the firmware (BMPC 4K) was online for a moment.

http://nofilmschool.com/2014/06/blackma ... mware-1-8/

Yes, a lot of us here have installed it and tried it out.

FPN? Anyone?

FPN has not improved at all.

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."[/quote]


FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?[/quote]
I said that FPN as not been improved. Not sure where you saw that I said something different.

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?[/quote]
I said that FPN as not been improved. Not sure where you saw that I said something different.[/quote]


I know you said it hasn't. I was asking where David's proof was that it has.

Loaded the new firmware, switched on raw, fired off some test shots:

Raw plays back in-camera fine
The individual DNGs open in ACR or an image sequence in After Effects
Resolve will import them but displays them all screwy (see below)
Finder/Preview (OSX Mav) does the same (see below)

Any thoughts on what's going wrong?

C'est faux ce que vous dites! Pour moi, aucun problème avec Resolve avec DNGs 4K avec BMPC 4K sous Windows Pro 8.1.

Donthe general audio improvements to the BMCC include fixing the frequency response issues?

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?

I said that FPN as not been improved. Not sure where you saw that I said something different.

I know you said it hasn't. I was asking where David's proof was that it has.

My proof is in my footage. Although I can't post until BMD actually releases this firmware update. Where is the proof that the FPN hasn't been improved?

Donthe general audio improvements to the BMCC include fixing the frequency response issues?

Yes!

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?

I said that FPN as not been improved. Not sure where you saw that I said something different.

I know you said it hasn't. I was asking where David's proof was that it has.

My proof is in my footage. Although I can't post until BMD actually releases this firmware update. Where is the proof that the FPN hasn't been improved?

Hey David.

maybe this leak version did not improved compare to your version?

i did notice Less FPN on my 4K Raw

My proof is in my footage.

youve claimed to have a relatively "fpn free' camera (and replacement) all along... now it is somehow improved?

FPN has dramatically been improved. Perhaps you meant to say, "FPN hasn't not improved at all."

FPN has been improved? When? Where? How?

I said that FPN as not been improved. Not sure where you saw that I said something different.

I know you said it hasn't. I was asking where David's proof was that it has.

My proof is in my footage. Although I can't post until BMD actually releases this firmware update. Where is the proof that the FPN hasn't been improved?

I thought you got a camera that didn't have FPN, so how can you say the update improves it if you didn't have it in the first place?

My proof is in my footage.

youve claimed to have a relatively "fpn free' camera (and replacement) all along... now it is somehow improved?

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

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http://www.eoshd.com/content/13008/blac ... te-cameras

Not sure how much of it is actually accurate but the OIS support for lenses without physical switch is going to open up a lot of doors.

RAW 4k firmware is 4000 X 2160 Neither 4k at 4096 x 2160 or UHD at 3840 x 2160

Weird

My proof is in my footage.

youve claimed to have a relatively "fpn free' camera (and replacement) all along... now it is somehow improved?

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

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My original camera was FPN-free but I wrote a while back that I saw more FPN when I updated to 1.6.1. There might be other factors to causing FPN, though.

RAW 4k firmware is 4000 X 2160 Neither 4k at 4096 x 2160 or UHD at 3840 x 2160

Weird

I'm sure this will get fixed in a next firmware update. lol

It must be a feature to reduce FPN? lol the BM way of doing it.

Probably just a bug in a beta firmware, BM should thank all of you guys beta testing on your own hardware.

RAW 4k firmware is 4000 X 2160 Neither 4k at 4096 x 2160 or UHD at 3840 x 2160

Weird

It's actually DCI 4K Flat Cropped (4000 wide instead of 3996x2160). From what I understand, the 4000x2160 is the resolution of the sensor. So, it's not the same sensor as the AJA CION, but is the same sensor as the URSA.

4000 pixels wide does stop Philip Bloom from saying "...it's not actual 4K as 4K is 4,000 pixels across..."

It's also a 1.85:1 aspect ratio vs the 2.39:1 of 4096x2160 (DCI 4K CinemaScope cropped).

I've used pocket and I had to go through tons of menus just to change ASA and Shutter Angle. Have they improved that?

You are aware that the cursor buttons work both ways - up and down?
So it's menu > right click (Camera) > up-click - and you are at shutterspeed with just one click.

I'm always baffled, that so many guys never found this out - just like pressing the "play" button to see how much is left on your card/SSD.

RAW 4k firmware is 4000 X 2160 Neither 4k at 4096 x 2160 or UHD at 3840 x 2160

Weird

It's actually DCI 4K Flat Cropped (4000 wide instead of 3996x2160). From what I understand, the 4000x2160 is the resolution of the sensor. So, it's not the same sensor as the AJA CION, but is the same sensor as the URSA.

4000 pixels wide does stop Philip Bloom from saying "...it's not actual 4K as 4K is 4,000 pixels across..."

It's also a 1.85:1 aspect ratio vs the 2.39:1 of 4096x2160 (DCI 4K CinemaScope cropped).

Are you sure about this?

RAW 4k firmware is 4000 X 2160 Neither 4k at 4096 x 2160 or UHD at 3840 x 2160

Weird

It's actually DCI 4K Flat Cropped (4000 wide instead of 3996x2160). From what I understand, the 4000x2160 is the resolution of the sensor. So, it's not the same sensor as the AJA CION, but is the same sensor as the URSA.

4000 pixels wide does stop Philip Bloom from saying "...it's not actual 4K as 4K is 4,000 pixels across..."

It's also a 1.85:1 aspect ratio vs the 2.39:1 of 4096x2160 (DCI 4K CinemaScope cropped).

Are you sure about this?

I'm positive. The 4000x2160 is the native resolution of the sensor and will be the raw frame size of the 4k.

I've used pocket and I had to go through tons of menus just to change ASA and Shutter Angle. Have they improved that?

You are aware that the cursor buttons work both ways - up and down?
So it's menu > right click (Camera) > up-click - and you are at shutterspeed with just one click.

I'm always baffled, that so many guys never found this out - just like pressing the "play" button to see how much is left on your card/SSD.

Yes I have figured it out but it still not as fast or convenient as using touch screen or have dedicated hardware buttons or dials. Assignable buttons would be even better.