Camera Shipping Update: 11/7

My line in the sand is the next two weeks. Upcoming projects require rentals anyways because of high speed requirements. NAB is too close now, the best thing about this scenario is all of the big manufacturers have sat up and recognized this price/value market. Only cool things ahead.

I hope it's good news next update.

My line in the sand is the next two weeks. Upcoming projects require rentals anyways because of high speed requirements. NAB is too close now, the best thing about this scenario is all of the big manufacturers have sat up and recognized this price/value market. Only cool things ahead.

I hope it's good news next update.

Your absolutely right. If BMD can't get their act together by NAB, other, more proficient and capable companies will see the hype and lack of delivery and capitalize on BMD's failed attempt and release a better camera at a better price.
Good try BMD. Better luck next time.

My line in the sand is the next two weeks. Upcoming projects require rentals anyways because of high speed requirements. NAB is too close now, the best thing about this scenario is all of the big manufacturers have sat up and recognized this price/value market. Only cool things ahead.

I hope it's good news next update.

Your absolutely right. If BMD can't get their act together by NAB, other, more proficient and capable companies will see the hype and lack of delivery and capitalize on BMD's failed attempt and release a better camera at a better price.
Good try BMD. Better luck next time.

In my experience, paying attention to NAB's year after year, I'd have to say a solid no to that. Likely there wont' be any other company pining to take advantage of the ungrateful three-thousand dollar sector of this niche market. If anything, don't be surprised if any of the companies that WOULD consider it haven't been looking at this board and having their minds changed by the "customers".

Additionally, GoPro's tied up I'd like to think with their camera release, RED would maybe bring back 3K for $3K but it would have to be a lesser product than Scarlet in general to not make people mad, and who else can you look to for a new camera?

Digital Bolex?

Okay then...

I'd say Good Job BMD for not shutting this board down and owning up to not being able to make their dates, yet still trying... and for those that just can't comprehend the situation... learn to exercise [extreme] patience, maybe try to go and shoot something.

It goes a long way in other walks of life.

If BMD can't get their act together by NAB...

In my experience, paying attention to NAB's year after year, I'd have to say a solid no to that. Likely there wont' be any other company pining to take advantage of the ungrateful three-thousand dollar sector of this niche market. If anything, don't be surprised if any of the companies that WOULD consider it haven't been looking at this board and having their minds changed by the "customers".

Additionally, GoPro's tied up I'd like to think with their camera release, RED would maybe bring back 3K for $3K but it would have to be a lesser product than Scarlet in general to not make people mad, and who else can you look to for a new camera?

Digital Bolex?

Okay then...

I'd say Good Job BMD for not shutting this board down and owning up to not being able to make their dates, yet still trying... and for those that just can't comprehend the situation... learn to exercise [extreme] patience, maybe try to go and shoot something.

It goes a long way in other walks of life.

+1

My line in the sand is the next two weeks. Upcoming projects require rentals anyways because of high speed requirements. NAB is too close now, the best thing about this scenario is all of the big manufacturers have sat up and recognized this price/value market. Only cool things ahead.

I hope it's good news next update.

Your absolutely right. If BMD can't get their act together by NAB, other, more proficient and capable companies will see the hype and lack of delivery and capitalize on BMD's failed attempt and release a better camera at a better price.
Good try BMD. Better luck next time.

In my experience, paying attention to NAB's year after year, I'd have to say a solid no to that. Likely there wont' be any other company pining to take advantage of the ungrateful three-thousand dollar sector of this niche market. If anything, don't be surprised if any of the companies that WOULD consider it haven't been looking at this board and having their minds changed by the "customers".

Additionally, GoPro's tied up I'd like to think with their camera release, RED would maybe bring back 3K for $3K but it would have to be a lesser product than Scarlet in general to not make people mad, and who else can you look to for a new camera?

Digital Bolex?

Okay then...

I'd say Good Job BMD for not shutting this board down and owning up to not being able to make their dates, yet still trying... and for those that just can't comprehend the situation... learn to exercise [extreme] patience, maybe try to go and shoot something.

It goes a long way in other walks of life.

Well when you look at the history of NAB you should see the pretty consistent price drop and image quality increase. Of course because of the evolution of technology etc has fuel that progression. I guess my post wasn't clear enough. My point was that if BMD cannot fulfill the pre-orders by NAB which may or may not happen. The hype will be dead and something better and cheaper will hopefully be revealed. With the low prices of manufacturing and production etc. It will be very simple for a company to easily take all of BMD's customers away. whether any company will, is another story.

When you look at the history of NAB and cameras... things move pretty fast. The DSLR boom really made the camera industry make higher quality images, at a more affordable price and that trend has been continuing year by year. Now with the DSLR's capable of Clean HDMI out and higher Mbps etc, The natural evolution is 2k+ DSLR's...or at least I am hoping. They need to keep moving forward and thats the only natural next step. Canon's 1DC won't be selling like hot cakes I imagine at $15k for the body so they will most likely need to lower the price to stay competitive especially with RED's recent price drop. And Bolex won't be ready either way. I would love for BMD to magically be able to fulfill all preorders in the next month or 2 but I think we all know that won't happen.

I feel for all the guys on this board that sold their other cameras to fund this camera and have been stuck without anything to shoot with and are forced to rent for the last 6+ months.

I understand your point about "who else can we look to for a new camera". None of us know. Look at BMD, none of us expected them to release or announce, rather, their camera. I agree, GoPro is out, but even then, they don't make 'cinema grade cameras'. I doubt RED will release anything new. I am leaning towards the major players in the camera industry to come out with cameras that compete with BMCC.
I might just be talking hogwash...but we can all just hope right.

Mmnnn but you're referring to MOore's Law and attributing the trickle of advancements to that. Jim Jannard proved that the industry of image acquisition hardware had been ready for high resolutions, but the manufacturers were holding back (For whatever reason, which some were actually valid to be honest).

IN this scenario, where BMD is trying to fulfill orders on a camera that's quite over-spec'd in the image department when you compare it to today's hardware (Edit: in the same price range and slightly over in fact) I'm saying that it's likely not to happen if you glance back at the last ten years and graph the advancements from each manufacturer.

On the high end, Sony is literally just now catching up to RED, an upstart (with a lot of money, granted) in terms of price, performance, features. And that camera isn't even out until next year.

So, yeah, likely not to happen unless it's GoPro or RED and with those things that I mentioned in the post being caveats. 3K for $3K, but at the expense of not performing as well as the elder brothers (Scarlet the middle child who's got some strange tendencies, and Epic the older brother).

It would be good for the hype to peter out a smidge, that way people will settle down and just do what they have to do today. THen when cameras are out there in droves, the hype will return.

Seriously, it's worth the wait. A hard wait indeed, but it is. =]

I understand your point about "who else can we look to for a new camera". None of us know. Look at BMD, none of us expected them to release or announce, rather, their camera. I agree, GoPro is out, but even then, they don't make 'cinema grade cameras'. I doubt RED will release anything new. I am leaning towards the major players in the camera industry to come out with cameras that compete with BMCC.
I might just be talking hogwash...but we can all just hope right.

Yes, very good point. BMD does come out of nowhere with a very bold statement.

You'd have to consider who they are, though and compare. What other companies that are heavily invested in either the acquisition or delivery sections of motion picture have the kind of capital that Blackmagic or RED (citing companies that are not or were not known to make cameras, but had a starting point in other areas of production already) have?

GoPro's the only one that comes to mind, and remember they're manufacturing small crash cams that are pretty excellent for what they do.

Who knows, though? xD I may bet he one talkin' hogwash.

Speaking of NAB... I'm actually kind of tired of anticipating the next big thing. Grrr. Takes so much energy to want for the gear! Too much, in fact... that could be used for greater good... like making a sweet ice cream cake or writing better scripts.

My line in the sand is the next two weeks. Upcoming projects require rentals anyways because of high speed requirements. NAB is too close now, the best thing about this scenario is all of the big manufacturers have sat up and recognized this price/value market. Only cool things ahead.

I hope it's good news next update.

Your absolutely right. If BMD can't get their act together by NAB, other, more proficient and capable companies will see the hype and lack of delivery and capitalize on BMD's failed attempt and release a better camera at a better price.
Good try BMD. Better luck next time.

In my experience, paying attention to NAB's year after year, I'd have to say a solid no to that. Likely there wont' be any other company pining to take advantage of the ungrateful three-thousand dollar sector of this niche market. If anything, don't be surprised if any of the companies that WOULD consider it haven't been looking at this board and having their minds changed by the "customers".

Additionally, GoPro's tied up I'd like to think with their camera release, RED would maybe bring back 3K for $3K but it would have to be a lesser product than Scarlet in general to not make people mad, and who else can you look to for a new camera?

Digital Bolex?

Okay then...

I'd say Good Job BMD for not shutting this board down and owning up to not being able to make their dates, yet still trying... and for those that just can't comprehend the situation... learn to exercise [extreme] patience, maybe try to go and shoot something.

It goes a long way in other walks of life.

Seriously? You really think a company like Canon or Sony wouldn't jump on this chance due to people on this forum. Really? Really? I mean, really? It's about money not cry baby hurt feelings.. what are the companies run by 10 year olds or something?

For the record, if you think the RED MX workflow is cumbersome...

Oh no please not BMCC vs RED.. aagaaaaaaaaain... aaaaaaaaahhhh... IT'S LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY IN HERE!

Did you read the rest of it?
Its a wake up call for the lazy.
I had to hear it again from folks shooting with an Alexa the other day.
They basically said, we hate RED cause of the workflow.
Hate is such a strong word and honestly it usually comes from the un-educated.
This is not a vs post but one to remind folks to man up and learn the craft.
In this day of age, we are not just videographers anymore.
We actually have to learn other things to survive.

Seriously? You really think a company like Canon or Sony wouldn't jump on this chance due to people on this forum. Really? Really? I mean, really? It's about money not cry baby hurt feelings.. what are the companies run by 10 year olds or something?

You cited probably the very last two companies that likely care what anyone else is doing. Up until the recent two years Sony wasn't paying attention to anyone but itself.

And, as Barry Green puts it, Canon is ALWAYS historically late to the party. They're the very very last company that has any interest in giving you a three thousand dollar camera that shoots to three different formats, 13 stops of DR, large sensor, consumer SSDs.

They've already shown you what they think is worth six grand, it's the C100.

All you have to do is review the last ten years, you'll be able to see what these companies have in store for you.

If there's any major corporation that has a chance to do something strong without interfering with prior offerings it's Panasonic. And they feel the the AF100A is the competition at this price point.

Just saying, only takes a tiny bit'o research. xP

I understand your point about "who else can we look to for a new camera". None of us know. Look at BMD, none of us expected them to release or announce, rather, their camera. I agree, GoPro is out, but even then, they don't make 'cinema grade cameras'. I doubt RED will release anything new. I am leaning towards the major players in the camera industry to come out with cameras that compete with BMCC.
I might just be talking hogwash...but we can all just hope right.

Yes, very good point. BMD does come out of nowhere with a very bold statement.

You'd have to consider who they are, though and compare. What other companies that are heavily invested in either the acquisition or delivery sections of motion picture have the kind of capital that Blackmagic or RED (citing companies that are not or were not known to make cameras, but had a starting point in other areas of production already) have?

GoPro's the only one that comes to mind, and remember they're manufacturing small crash cams that are pretty excellent for what they do.

Who knows, though? xD I may bet he one talkin' hogwash.

Speaking of NAB... I'm actually kind of tired of anticipating the next big thing. Grrr. Takes so much energy to want for the gear! Too much, in fact... that could be used for greater good... like making a sweet ice cream cake or writing better scripts.

It takes so much energy and lets not forget money...My facebook post when I was at NAB playing with the BMCC was "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!!!!"

Thats actually a great idea for a thread. "What do you plan on shooting first when you get your BMCC."

Seriously? You really think a company like Canon or Sony wouldn't jump on this chance due to people on this forum. Really? Really? I mean, really? It's about money not cry baby hurt feelings.. what are the companies run by 10 year olds or something?

You cited probably the very last two companies that likely care what anyone else is doing. Up until the recent two years Sony wasn't paying attention to anyone but itself.

And, as Barry Green puts it, Canon is ALWAYS historically late to the party. They're the very very last company that has any interest in giving you a three thousand dollar camera that shoots to three different formats, 13 stops of DR, large sensor, consumer SSDs.

They've already shown you what they think is worth six grand, it's the C100.

All you have to do is review the last ten years, you'll be able to see what these companies have in store for you.

If there's any major corporation that has a chance to do something strong without interfering with prior offerings it's Panasonic. And they feel the the AF100A is the competition at this price point.

Just saying, only takes a tiny bit'o research. xP

Sony have done nothing but beat the competition in price and tech lately. Takes a tiny bit'o research;)

Seriously? You really think a company like Canon or Sony wouldn't jump on this chance due to people on this forum. Really? Really? I mean, really? It's about money not cry baby hurt feelings.. what are the companies run by 10 year olds or something?

You cited probably the very last two companies that likely care what anyone else is doing. Up until the recent two years Sony wasn't paying attention to anyone but itself.

And, as Barry Green puts it, Canon is ALWAYS historically late to the party. They're the very very last company that has any interest in giving you a three thousand dollar camera that shoots to three different formats, 13 stops of DR, large sensor, consumer SSDs.

They've already shown you what they think is worth six grand, it's the C100.

All you have to do is review the last ten years, you'll be able to see what these companies have in store for you.

If there's any major corporation that has a chance to do something strong without interfering with prior offerings it's Panasonic. And they feel the the AF100A is the competition at this price point.

Just saying, only takes a tiny bit'o research. xP

Sony have done nothing but beat the competition in price and tech lately. Takes a tiny bit'o research;)

Hm.

AF100: 4K

Built in NDs, HD-SDI, HDMI

FS100: 5K

Lowlight

Not until the FS700 did they offer something that noone else was, and now the F5 and F55 are trying to bite into their respective competition.

Sony has never actually anti'd up when it comes to price to performance and features ratio until VERY VERY recently. They've always taken features out that were in lesser cameras (by price point) just to separate the classes.

I believe my earlier post said this already. But hopefully this clarified a bit more.

By the way, Sony's competitor in this bracket ARE the FS700 and FS100, and from their consumer department the VG9 series.

Maybe 2014.

You cited probably the very last two companies that likely care what anyone else is doing. Up until the recent two years Sony wasn't paying attention to anyone but itself.

And, as Barry Green puts it, Canon is ALWAYS historically late to the party. They're the very very last company that has any interest in giving you a three thousand dollar camera that shoots to three different formats, 13 stops of DR, large sensor, consumer SSDs.

They've already shown you what they think is worth six grand, it's the C100.

All you have to do is review the last ten years, you'll be able to see what these companies have in store for you.

If there's any major corporation that has a chance to do something strong without interfering with prior offerings it's Panasonic. And they feel the the AF100A is the competition at this price point.

Just saying, only takes a tiny bit'o research. xP

Sony have done nothing but beat the competition in price and tech lately. Takes a tiny bit'o research;)

Hm.

AF100: 4K

Built in NDs, HD-SDI, HDMI

FS100: 5K

Lowlight

Not until the FS700 did they offer something that noone else was, and now the F5 and F55 are trying to bite into their respective competition.

Sony has never actually anti'd up when it comes to price to performance and features ratio until VERY VERY recently. They've always taken features out that were in lesser cameras (by price point) just to separate the classes.

I believe my earlier post said this already. But hopefully this clarified a bit more.

By the way, Sony's competitor in this bracket IS the FS700 and FS100, and from their consumer department the VG9 series.

Maybe 2014.

It's odd because you seem to be agreeing with me... F5 and F55 for example?

Have you seen F5 and F55 prices?? ahahahaha
and the external 4k recorder?? jajajajajajaj

F55 -- $35k
F5---- $20k
External recorder $4k

ahhahahahahaha

Jesus

Costa, in my post I did explicitly say that "until recently". It hasn't been until the previous two years that Sony's seem to have... awakened.

I am looking forward to the F55 in a major way, but this is not the same Sony that released cameras prior to the FS100.

Have you seen F5 and F55 prices?? ahahahaha
and the external 4k recorder?? jajajajajajaj

F55 -- $35k
F5---- $20k
External recorder $4k

ahhahahahahaha

Nope not seen those prices.. where did you get them from?

Costa, in my post I did explicitly say that "until recently". It hasn't been until the previous two years that Sony's seem to have... awakened.

I am looking forward to the F55 in a major way, but this is not the same Sony that released cameras prior to the FS100.

So if they are doing this recently why can't they do it again at NAB?

Costa, in my post I did explicitly say that "until recently". It hasn't been until the previous two years that Sony's seem to have... awakened.

I am looking forward to the F55 in a major way, but this is not the same Sony that released cameras prior to the FS100.

So if they are doing this recently why can't they do it again at NAB?

THat's fairly simple: they have cameras in this price bracket. FS100, Fs700, VG9 series.

They don't need to offer anything else, at least not for another year or two.

The F5 is not an F3 competitor as much as it is an F3 update

IS it possible that an FS100 update with 4K internal to SxS could show up NAB 2013 with a release date of end of the year? Sure. Is it possible that it would cost three thousand dollars? Likely not.

from here
http://cinescopophilia.com/sony-f5-f55- ... announced/

in the facebook page of the sony F3 there's a link...and on twitter it's been said that Sony Japan web accidentally leaked the prices.

so....

and how do you know these are not the prices??? link to me please!!!

Jesus

from here
http://cinescopophilia.com/sony-f5-f55- ... announced/

in the facebook page of the sony F3 there's a link...and on twitter it's been said that this web accidentally leaked the prices.

so....

and how do you know these are not the prices??? link to me please!!!

Jesus

I'm pretty sure I didn't imply I knew I was just interested in where you got the information.Not everything is a fight. Although I would watch those exchange rates... It even said as much in the article! The US and WIll likely be much less. Thinking $15k. Which is what I was expecting.

I though you were missing your friend taapo and I wanted to make you feel at home

so. Even if the f5 is 15k is totally overpriced. I think sony could beat BMD and it seems impossible.

Btw I recommend you the movie " the impossible". Next month on screen. Totally awesome movie

Jesus

15K for an F5 is in no way shape or form overpriced. In fact it's likely slightly underpriced, but by last year's standards.

At 15K, the competitors are Scarlet and C300.

Compare, contrast, form an opinion, but overpriced it is not.

Have you seen F5 and F55 prices?? ahahahaha
and the external 4k recorder?? jajajajajajaj

F55 -- $35k
F5---- $20k
External recorder $4k

ahhahahahahaha

Nope not seen those prices.. where did you get them from?

Those are msrp prices not actual prices....like canon c300 was announced at 20k and c500 at 30k or c100 at 8k

Christine... update YES???

Christine... update YES???

Yeah "am" in Australia only has 1 more hour left.

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

Well it cant be lengthy if he has no more info. Can it?

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

Wow, he started in the am and later into the pm is still typing. This should be a doozie.

this all smells like BS... Red ONE now $5995.

Screw this. I'm just gonna buy an Alexa Studio.

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

You know Grant?

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

You know Grant?

It must be hard to detect sarcasm on here.

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

You know Grant?

It must be hard to detect sarcasm on here.

Maybe he's delayed getting it

Jesus

Jill Greenberg!

HAHA nick you a fool. lol

Grant called me and told me he is getting delayed. Since he usually posts lengthy updates, it takes him time to finish typing. He actually started in the AM but the typing will make him post an update in the PM.

You know Grant?

It must be hard to detect sarcasm on here.

I was actually thinking it must be sarcasm at first, but I guess the frustration makes me more gullible

Sr. Lam????

I was actually thinking it must be sarcasm at first, but I guess the frustration makes me more gullible

No, I getcha! We're all kinda hoping for some ray of light in the darkness. Hopefully we get a good update.

I can't shake this mental image of a small smoke filled room with a bunch of guys sitting around a table laughing at me...

It's like BMD is Lucy and I'm Charlie Brown. I know she's going to pull the football away but I just have to try to kick it anyway.

I'm so sorry for this delay, guys... we're still expecting an update soon.

Thanks Christine!

I'm so sorry for this delay, guys... we're still expecting an update soon.

Patiently waiting by our computers like this... hehe...

Patiently waiting by our computers like this... hehe...

Gah! His name is Fury and he's the best Business Cat ever. Nothing is private on the Internet, haha.

Patiently waiting by our computers like this... hehe...

Gah! His name is Fury and he's the best Business Cat ever. Nothing is private on the Internet, haha.

Haha sorry. Instagram. I'll take it down. He looks serious. He might beat me up.

Haha sorry. Instagram. I'll take it down. He looks serious. He might beat me up.

Oh yes I forgot, I assumed Facebook. You can keep it up, he's a very handsome cat.

Mine arrived at my house today! Wow, this thing is a beast. It is heavier and more solid than I expected. I am very excited about getting started with it. Good luck guys!

Great News!!! Enjoy!

Here... replacement...

Waiting for some good news....

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