AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

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AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 2:10 am

Here are the Standard Candle results for the new $199 AMD Radeon RX480 in RED, Nvidia Titan X in GREEN., the GTX1060 in BLACK.
Rsolve 12.5 Studio, X99 Motherboard, 12 core Xeon.

Blur:
09 Nodes: RX480:24fps TitanX:24fps 1060: 24fps
18 Nodes: RX480:20fps TitanX:16fps 1060: 14fps
30 Nodes: RX480:13fps TitanX:11fps 1060: 9fps
66 Nodes: RX480:6fps TitanX:5-6fps 1060: 4fps

TNR:
1: RX480:24fps TitanX:24fps 1060: 24fps
2: RX480:18fps TitanX:17-20fps 1060: 17fps
4: RX480:9fps TitanX:11fps 1060: 8fps
6: RX480:7fps TitanX:8fps 1060: 6fps


Big thanks to Peter Richards of fixafilm.com for purchasing the 480 card, as there are no compute based reviews of the card, he thought it important that the card be tested for OPENCL performance. Let me know if you want any other benchmarks run.

EDIT: Added GTX 1060 (Gigabyte Gaming G1 overclocked 1060) results.
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Re: AMD RX480 performance test.

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 2:58 am

thanks, most appreciated.

how are you finding the amd drivers (my last experience, though many years ago now, was frightful)?

and, how is your card('s) setup?
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Re: AMD RX480 performance test.

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 3:05 am

Thanks for the test info!

Could you please ask your friend Peter to run these additional FPS tests?

1. 4k timeline, 4k prores4444/DNX444 playback with TNR maxed out

1. 4k timeline, 4k Red media (enable decode Red media on GPU, decode at max settings)

Feels like Christmas with all this new hardware shipping!
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Re: AMD RX480 performance test.

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 3:18 am

If someone can post a link to footage, then I'm sure he will be happy to do it.

Since AMD switched to the 'Crimson' driver platform, their stability has been excellent, less trouble than I've had with the NVidia drivers to be honest.

I had no end of trouble about 5 years ago with AMD, but they seem to have lifted their game.

For this test it was just the single RX480 being used for GUI and compute, output via a 4K Studio card.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 5:34 am

thanks yet again for the prompt response. greatly appreciated.

so, in your opinion, which would you suggest - 480 or 1070 (both with 4gb ram), bearing in mind i'd probably only be using the single card* (unless i move to 4k)?

*monitoring with int. pro at present for hd
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PostWed Jul 06, 2016 5:43 am

Leslie Wand wrote:thanks yet again for the prompt response. greatly appreciated.

so, in your opinion, which would you suggest - 480 or 1070 (both with 4gb ram), bearing in mind i'd probably only be using the single card* (unless i move to 4k)?

*monitoring with int. pro at present for hd
The GTX 1070 has 8GB VRAM, not 4GB.

As a heads up the GTX 1060 is due for release at the end of this week which comes in either 3GB or 6GB options.

Also I gather the patch for the power issue hasn't been released yet so it will be interesting to see the results after the patch has been applied and the reference RX 480 is no longer drawing up to 20% more power than the motherboard is supposed to allow. It will be interesting to see if they have to clock the card down to achieve this or how they are going to do it
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 8:42 am

We are running the beta drivers that have patched the current issue, the numbers I posted are with the patch applied. I can uninstall and run without the patch if anyone is interested.


The RX-480 comes in a 4GB or 8GB variant, I'd go the 8GB, the memory performance is faster, and it is only $239 - $249, (vs the 1070 which is still around twice the cost $450-600)

If you have apps that require CUDA, then I'd get the NVidia card, but for OpenCL, the 480 is far better value.

In Catia and Solidworks, the RX480 is running 50%+ faster than the GTX980, but on AutoCAD the 480 is about the same as the 970, so it varies from program to program.

EDIT: Had the price wrong, the 8GB 480 is $239, not $339!
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 8:53 am

Hi Everybody,
I really interesting to compare Radeon Rx 480 with AMD 290X.
If someone has the same test as shown here with the Titan, could be really helping.

Thanks.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 8:55 am

Could you post your TNR settings so I can test it on a GTX 1070.

Using the Blur settings on the original candle test on the reference GTX 1070

9 Nodes - 24 (we managed to go up to 16 with it at 24 and on the 17th node it dropped to 21)
18 Nodes - 19-20
30 Nodes - 12-13
66 Nodes - 6

Do you have your RX480 set to 'compatibility mode' if not then all they appear to have done is shifted the excess power draw from the PCI-e socket to the 6 pin power, again going over the specified limit.

If looking at going with the RX480 I would wait until non reference models come out that have extra power connectors that way you won't have to worry about them going over official specs
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 9:07 am

We are in compatibilty mode, yes.
I would also wait for the vendor versions of the 480 to come out, they will likely have better cooling and higher base clocks for the same money.
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Re: AMD RX480 performance test.

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 9:48 am

davidanderson wrote:If someone can post a link to footage, then I'm sure he will be happy to do it.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Byr_w ... lNMRldYRzA

Here's some 4k Red footage to play with.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 06, 2016 11:13 am

Thanks, my understanding is that RED footage is also CPU dependent, so the results will only be relevant on the same computer I think.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSat Jul 16, 2016 7:24 am

sorry to resurrect this post, but just when i was about to order a rx480 i see nvidia has come out with a gtx 1060.

of course it's probably too early to assess properly, but they're (nvidia) claiming a 15% boost over the amd, and a lower power draw...

i don't want to spend overly on a video card at the moment - i'm working hd, with a few odd shots from clients 4k, but it's on a hd timeline - and would like opinions as to whether (bearing in mind i also use photoshop, some basic after effects, vegas for basic cutting / audio sweetening, and assorted media encoders):

a. is cuda at all necessary for resolve and would i miss it if i went amd in any of the other software?

b. the 480 is 8gb whilst the 1060 6gb. would this be noticeable re timeline playback, etc.,

c. david says the new crimson drivers for amd are fine, could anyone else confirm please? (i don't doubt david's experiences at all, but after so many bad experience in the past i'd like some more reassurance ;-))

i do foresee myself moving to 4k at some point in the future, but that's going to require a new box of tricks anyway, and by that time they'll probably be giving 8gb video cards away for free....
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSat Jul 16, 2016 3:01 pm

The 1060 15% figure is for DirectX games, not for compute. It will be considerably slower on Resolve than the 1080, 1070 and RX480.

CUDA is not necessary for Resolve, it uses either OpenCL *or* CUDA.

12.5 uses more GPU RAM than 11 did, I can't really say what difference you would get between 6GB and 8GB except the obvious that you would run out of RAM earlier on the 1060 than the 480, but for HD, either probably has enough RAM.

NVidia are currently having some driver issues with the series 10 cards, with video playback sometimes stuttering.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topi ... ttering/1/

I have no skin in either camp, we were looking to replace our Titan X cards with 1080s until the RX480 came out, but we have gone with Dual 480s in the Resolve stations with no issues so far.
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PostSun Jul 17, 2016 12:22 am

appreciate you time and answer david. many thanks indeed
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PostSun Jul 17, 2016 3:05 pm

I wonder if more comprehensive tests of the RX480 inside R12.5 -- beyond the blur and NR of the candle test -- might reveal different results? Most published results so far rank it well behind the 900 nvidia series. For example:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd ... 616-8.html

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Looking forward to more reports, as the cards (and the overclocked and better cooled versions) become widely available....
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSun Jul 17, 2016 3:21 pm

davidanderson wrote:The 1060 15% figure is for DirectX games, not for compute. It will be considerably slower on Resolve than the 1080, 1070 and RX480.

CUDA is not necessary for Resolve, it uses either OpenCL *or* CUDA.

12.5 uses more GPU RAM than 11 did, I can't really say what difference you would get between 6GB and 8GB except the obvious that you would run out of RAM earlier on the 1060 than the 480, but for HD, either probably has enough RAM.

NVidia are currently having some driver issues with the series 10 cards, with video playback sometimes stuttering.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topi ... ttering/1/

I have no skin in either camp, we were looking to replace our Titan X cards with 1080s until the RX480 came out, but we have gone with Dual 480s in the Resolve stations with no issues so far.


And you know it will be considerably slower than the RX480 for compute.... HOW? Honestly I have only ever seen your candle test for RX480 and I'm not really buying it until I see some other users results.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSun Jul 17, 2016 3:57 pm

maybe TFOPS numbers?

found these on the web, no claims of accuracy, esp the 1080Ti;

TitanX = 7 @ $1,450 Cdn
1060 = 4.35 @ not yet avb in Canada, expected to be around the street price of the rx480
480 = 5.5 @ $350 Cdn
1070 = 6.46 @ $675 Cdn
1080 = 8.9 @ $850 Cdn

for the near future
1080Ti = 13

on paper the 480 seems to be in the zone?
price -vs- preformance the 480 leads (on paper again)

looking at a stop gap to keep me going untill the 1080Ti appears, and the 480 seems to fit the bill nicely
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PostSun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Dermot Shane wrote:maybe TFOPS numbers?

found these on the web, no claims of accuracy, esp the 1080Ti;

TitanX = 7 @ $1,450 Cdn
1060 = 4.35 @ not yet avb in Canada, expected to be around the street price of the rx480
480 = 5.5 @ $350 Cdn
1070 = 6.46 @ $675 Cdn
1080 = 8.9 @ $850 Cdn

for the near future
1080Ti = 13

on paper the 480 seems to be in the zone?
price -vs- preformance the 480 leads (on paper again)

looking at a stop gap to keep me going untill the 1080Ti appears, and the 480 seems to fit the bill nicely


If it were to do with tfops then how can the 480 beat a TitanX?
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSun Jul 17, 2016 9:12 pm

can't answer that one... not a clue.....

on paper i could see how 2 x 480's could be in the TitanX zone, perhaps
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 18, 2016 1:24 am

Neil Brassington wrote:
davidanderson wrote:The 1060 15% figure is for DirectX games, not for compute. It will be considerably slower on Resolve than the 1080, 1070 and RX480.

CUDA is not necessary for Resolve, it uses either OpenCL *or* CUDA.

12.5 uses more GPU RAM than 11 did, I can't really say what difference you would get between 6GB and 8GB except the obvious that you would run out of RAM earlier on the 1060 than the 480, but for HD, either probably has enough RAM.

NVidia are currently having some driver issues with the series 10 cards, with video playback sometimes stuttering.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topi ... ttering/1/

I have no skin in either camp, we were looking to replace our Titan X cards with 1080s until the RX480 came out, but we have gone with Dual 480s in the Resolve stations with no issues so far.


And you know it will be considerably slower than the RX480 for compute.... HOW? Honestly I have only ever seen your candle test for RX480 and I'm not really buying it until I see some other users results.


How? Because we now have in house the Titan X, the 1070 and the RX480. The 480 is faster in resolve than the 1070, and the 1060 will be slower than the 1070, so it stands to reason that the GTX-1060 will be considerably slower than the RX480. I don't mind if you 'buy it' or not, I'm not selling anything, just sharing results.

How is the 480 faster despite having a bit less raw TFlops performance? My guess is that the OpenCL performance is way better tuned than NVidia's CUDA performance.

It comes down to the software you are using. You can put 3 x RX480 cards in your Resolve workstation for the cost of a single 1080 card and get approximately 3x the performance for the same money.

We are still buying NVidia cards for our CUDA only programs and DX11 programs, but for our OpenCL programs, the 480 is outperforming the Nvidia cards, so we are putting RX480s in those workstations.

For example, in Solidworks and CATIA, the RX480 is outperforming the GTX cards, in AutoCAD and Maya, the GTX cards are outperforming the RX480.

It comes down to the performance in the software you use, no point buying a card that is super fast in AutoCAD if you are a CATIA user, and vice versa.

For Resolve, the 480 currently gives incredible bang for buck, you can throw a pair in your machine and be running over twice as fast as a Titan, for half the price, which is fantastic. Hopefully the 490 will come out this year and keep pressure on Nvidia and we will see better pricing and performance from both companies coming down the line.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 18, 2016 6:17 am

If it's a software thing then I'm assuming drivers will fix it... Which will mean the 1070 will do a much better job than the RX480 down the road. Also it would be nice to see you rx480 in action.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 18, 2016 8:00 am

Our in house developers are saying that it is more a graphics chip architecture thing than a software thing, and that they expect the 10 series to not get as big a gains out of newer software than the AMD cards.
One example is DirectX12, from an architecture standpoint, the AMD cards are expected to get bigger gains than the GTX 10 series will. Asynchronous compute is also expected to favour AMDs architecture over NVidias for this current generation of cards.

Of course if taliking about down the road, then it will all be different again in two years, that much we can be certain of!
But for now, getting Titan X performance for about a quarter of the price in Resolve has made us very happy, and for the little guys, Resolve being free and being able to spend $240 instead of $800+ per card brings multi GPU performance within reach of even the home experimenter.

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PostMon Jul 18, 2016 8:02 am

Neil Brassington wrote:If it's a software thing then I'm assuming drivers will fix it... Which will mean the 1070 will do a much better job than the RX480 down the road. Also it would be nice to see you rx480 in action.


Happy to show it 'in action', what would you like to see?
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PostMon Jul 18, 2016 8:57 am

I would like to see the candle test recorded with the results you are claiming. If true then it's good news for all of us and I'd be tempted to buy 3 for my HPZ820.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 18, 2016 9:03 am

Jeez, hard to feel like I'm being called a liar here.
I come here to help out, and be part of a community in my spare time, I have no interest in pushing any particular barrow, if you don't want to buy an AMD card, by all means pick up a 1080, it is a great, fast card.

I get the feeling that if I recorded it, you may end up saying I faked it in post or something :?

Happy to take some screenshots or whatever though.
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PostMon Jul 18, 2016 10:50 am

Just film it on your mobile:) Easy! No not calling you a liar. It's just that you seem to be the only one that has realised this, so I would have thought you could help out and prove it to us before the rest of us buy:) I know that my AMD Nano overclocked to Fury X performance gets close to a Titan X.
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PostMon Jul 18, 2016 11:39 am

davidanderson wrote:How is the 480 faster despite having a bit less raw TFlops performance? My guess is that the OpenCL performance is way better tuned than NVidia's CUDA performance.



This is also my conclusion- OpenCL seams to "better technology" than CUDA, so it may give better performance on the same hardware. You may go even further as it looks like OpenCL on AMD is "faster" than on Nvidia. It all may be down to actual card design.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 18, 2016 1:50 pm

Any idea if the RX 480 works in an old Mac Pro?
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PostMon Jul 18, 2016 4:15 pm

Unlikely- OSX won't have drivers for it.
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 10:49 am

Thanks for the informative posts David, very helpful. This is the sort of practical Resolve GPU info I was looking for when I first got on DaVinci Resolve a year or two ago (unlike the Resolve manual at that time) and went with the gtx770. For hobbyists like me ('little guys'! - though I'm sure my unrelated full time occupation qualifies me as a big guy - or at the least a normal sized guy - relatively speaking) perhaps worth waiting for Rx 470 too.
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 12:55 pm

We just got a RX 480 in for testing and get nearly the same as David
9 Nodes - 24 (we could get it to give 24fps at 13 nodes)
18 Nodes - 18.5
30 Nodes -12
66 Nodes - 6
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm

Blur and NR results are interesting, but they may not be all that useful for predicting raw playback, 3d keying, third-party OFX, etc.

Glad to have even these results, but without more direct comparisons, it's hard to conclude a whole lot.
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PostTue Jul 19, 2016 10:15 pm

Peter has kindly purchased a 1060 for us to test as well, it will be here on Friday and we can do some direct comparisons.

If anyone has any benchmarking they want done, please clearly outline the procedure to follow, and supply the required files and we will do our best to do a thorough test.
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PostWed Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am

thank you david - am very grateful for your testing and insights and am looking forward to your comparison of the 480 vs 1060.

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PostWed Jul 20, 2016 9:49 am

My results with a 980ti and x99 mobo with 5930k cpu @ 4.5GHz

Blur:
09 Nodes: 24
18 Nodes: 21.5
30 Nodes: 14
66 Nodes: 7

TNR:
1: 24
2: 24
4: 14.5
6: 10

If the 480 results are this legit then might be worth getting two for my HPZ820 system, which is severely outdated when it comes to gpu performance:)
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PostWed Jul 20, 2016 12:45 pm

Great news! Gonna keep watching to see what others find to add to this results and conclusions.

It would be also very nice if we could mix, say, a RX480 with an existing GTX 9XX as most of us already have a capable card and would be very nice addition to performance with a nice cost for us who are not in a big company.

Anyone had tested if it works (amd + nvidia) in the same system with the new Resolve 12.5?
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You can't mix card manufacturers
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PostWed Jul 20, 2016 2:10 pm

Adam Simmons wrote:You can't mix card manufacturers


I know. I was just asking if something has changed in Resolve 12.5, maybe not specified in the changelog, therefore, If anyone have tested it to see how it goes these days...

It would be nice if Resolve could use both archtecture/technology at the same time.
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It can't, this has already been stated in other threads when people had mixed cards
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostThu Jul 21, 2016 12:45 am

Appreciate the thread. I am a stills photographer and just bought a drone with 4K. It brought my computer with it's older GTX 670 to it's knees. Time to upgrade the graphics. My intent is to buy two RX480's but they are nearly impossible to find at the retail price of $249 here in the US. Inventories are very low, or out of stock.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSat Jul 23, 2016 10:19 pm

It will be interesting when someone is able to benchmark the new Titan X Pascal being released in a little more than a week. Better yet, it would be most interesting to see a dual Titan X Pascal benchmark, which is probably the configuration that many users will gravitate to.

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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSun Jul 24, 2016 1:55 am

Harris Charalambous wrote:Any idea if the RX 480 works in an old Mac Pro?

When the fixes are available, these guys will know about it:

http://www.macvidcards.com/
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostSun Jul 24, 2016 3:50 pm

Blake LaFarm wrote:It will be interesting when someone is able to benchmark the new Titan X Pascal being released in a little more than a week. Better yet, it would be most interesting to see a dual Titan X Pascal benchmark, which is probably the configuration that many users will gravitate to.

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The fact that the Titan X is now being beaten by a single RX480 at the fraction of the cost, I would say buying the new Titan X is a mistake! Nvidia have a knack of "planned obsolescence"...
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostMon Jul 25, 2016 10:36 am

^ agree with the above; with the future release of Rx 490, 495 (if and when) as well as updates of Fury/Fury-X (if and when) - given the OpenCL compute performance in Resolve holds and scales linearly (or thereabouts).

The higher end AMD cards will have double (or more) the stream processors found in Rx 480 as well as HBM memory with very high memory bandwidth to add to the mix.
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostTue Jul 26, 2016 12:52 am

Any update on the 1060 testing. Got one for $229 via newegg. Wondering if I should use it or buy 480
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostTue Jul 26, 2016 11:25 pm

Tim Mark wrote:Any update on the 1060 testing. Got one for $229 via newegg. Wondering if I should use it or buy 480


not bought but trying to decide which would be of greater use too....
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 27, 2016 1:50 am

I test the GTX 1060

Resolve 12.5 Lite, Z87 Motherboard, 4770K.

Blur:
09 Nodes: 24fps
18 Nodes: 14fps
30 Nodes: 9fps
66 Nodes: 4fps

TNR:
1: 24fps
2: 17fps
4: 8fps
6: 5fps
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 27, 2016 4:58 pm

I tested the 1060 late in the evening. Am not sure how these scores work out to be? Good/not good?
I retested it this morning and the score is same.

Do you think its worth going to 480?
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Re: AMD RX480 speed test: Faster than Titan X!

PostWed Jul 27, 2016 6:56 pm

Am not sure how you tested NR, since Lite doesn't offer it(?)

Anyway, at what node does the blur test lose real-time? Is it 9 nodes -- or more? People report this inconsistently, so it's hard to compare. If it drops frames on node 10, then I'd be concerned.... But of course there's also your CPU, which is on the slow side, by current standards.
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