Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

We placed our order with B&H on June 27. Got notice yesterday that the camera is being shipped - to Michigan.

Just got my camera delivered! First one for Belgium apparently!

Wow! Veel plezier ermee!

BMCC unboxing + inexpensive rig.

TuTodd,

thanks for the link, interesting rig!

I'm waiting and waiting and waiting.

Update?

THX

RED

Still waiting! 8 June, 2012.

Still waiting! 8 June, 2012.

Same here, The rate of cameras to CVP has remained the same from early Jan to late feb. At this current rate, I calculate to get my camera in the first week of May.

I hope the increased rate of production starts to make a difference.

Still waiting! 8 June, 2012.

Same here, The rate of cameras to CVP has remained the same from early Jan to late feb. At this current rate, I calculate to get my camera in the first week of May.

I hope the increased rate of production starts to make a difference.

I sympathise Tom! CVP told me it would be months, not weeks at this rate. I did the same calculation and it works out at the first week of June for me.

Still waiting! 8 June, 2012.

Same here, The rate of cameras to CVP has remained the same from early Jan to late feb. At this current rate, I calculate to get my camera in the first week of May.

I hope the increased rate of production starts to make a difference.

It does seem to be making a difference based on how many are actually posting that they've gotten their cameras, plus how many people are posting BMCC footage now.

There's going to be a lag between when production ramps up and when the cameras reach us, since they have to go first to distributors and then to vendors before the vendors can ship them to us.

I'm pretty jazzed about getting my camera, but I also just got my Nex-7 back, which will help to tide me over until I get my BMCC. Somewhat, anyway. My Shape rig's scheduled to get here on Monday, so I'll have stuff to keep me busy until BMD catches up.

Still waiting! 8 June, 2012.

Same here, The rate of cameras to CVP has remained the same from early Jan to late feb. At this current rate, I calculate to get my camera in the first week of May.

I hope the increased rate of production starts to make a difference.

It does seem to be making a difference based on how many are actually posting that they've gotten their cameras, plus how many people are posting BMCC footage now.

There's going to be a lag between when production ramps up and when the cameras reach us, since they have to go first to distributors and then to vendors before the vendors can ship them to us.

I'm pretty jazzed about getting my camera, but I also just got my Nex-7 back, which will help to tide me over until I get my BMCC. Somewhat, anyway. My Shape rig's scheduled to get here on Monday, so I'll have stuff to keep me busy until BMD catches up.

I am clearly referring to it making a difference to the number of units arriving each week to my reseller. Nearly 2 months later and the rate has stayed the same. I understand that it takes time for change to be reflected through the production chain - but so far there has been none.

Hell, it seems @ the rate this camera is coming out these days I'll get mine sometime the end of 2015

Oh well; hopefully Adorama will surprise me. Else, I'll wait and scowl at everyone who gets a camera before me.

Also, new to boards so hello, but I figure since putting my order in for an MFT today; I might as well join up.

Just got my camera delivered! First one for Belgium apparently!

Was i from formatc, in merksem?

It's kind of ironic that as soon as many people got their cameras, it came out not as good as it planned to be.

Flange distance and Dead pixels are some serious technical problems out there...

I personally think it's a small price to pay for a RAW 12-Bit 2K Cinema Camera.

What good si 12-bit RAW if it is out of focus (flange distance)?

So 3.000 dollars buys a camera that:

1. you have to wait months to get.

2. Has focus infinity issues not only with the Tokina wide angle but various other lenses.

3. Has dead pixel issues same as DSLRs, but this is a Cinema Camera no? (I would think it would be built to higher tolerance standards)

4. Is having some recording issues on certified SSDs.

5.Oh, and according to Shane Hurlbut, you definitely have to use IR NDs because of a very muddy/brownish response to high density ND filtration.

Would this assessment be correct?

If so, it seems a high price for what is amounting to a Beta version device, because all of these issues (except maybe #5) are normal in prototypes but not in production models.

So please BMD, roll out the REAL BMCC at NAB this year.

You should be using NDIRs on pretty much all single chip D-Cinema cameras. This is not really that big of a deal. Hell-- you want to play with a beta camera, you should've seen the original Reds. Dayum.

I know, that is why I said, except #5. But IR pollution is not an issue with HDSLRs, which is the camera we all want the BMCC to replace right?

I dunno; I've had some bad IR on the 60D and 7D sometimes. It depends on what you're shooting.
Granted, I'm often using ND 1.5 on those cameras, so it may not be as pronounced.
Still; for 3K (and really the camera is more like $1500 once you deduct the software) it's kind of hard to complain when you realize what you're getting.
Now FFD issues could be a huge issue; but I honestly suspect that's more a stills lens thing -v- a BMCC thing. IF someone was complaining about CPs being soft on a BMD then I'd personally give it more credence, but they're not. 'Course lord only knows what'll happen on the MFT mount... when/if I ever get mind shipped I'll let you all know.
Dead pixels happens on all cameras. my EX1 had them and that was more than double the price.
SSDs really have nothing to do with BMCC-- moreso with whomever makes them-- same as having to use certain SD cards for video capture based on speed.

The camera is 3k because you can't buy it without the software bundle. To make it work for pro shoots you know it's closer to 7k. But I would hope the FFD thing is a still lens thing also. Thing is, it seems (this is just an impression) most people out there shooting with the camera are not using CPs that much; just AI-s, EF, or ZE/ZF.2 glass. And it makes sense when you think about what the target audience of the camera is (thinking HDSLR owner/operators). Now the SSD thing is an issue because they are the disks recommended for use in the BMCC, and if they are malfunctioning, it is worth looking into. (I am sure all of these issues are not BMCC killers, but BMD should take a good look at them and iron them out, I would guess it's not that hard to do).

I just don't want to end up jumping hoops all over again (and new ones too) like we had/have to on DSLRs.

Last couple of commentators have mentioned that the cameras 3k because you can't buy it without the software. This is not understanding why its bundled or indeed as far as resolve the softwares own pricing.

The softwares presence is likely having negligible effect on the price. The BMCCs major target market is DSLR and other HD shooters, so resolve lite people at most so they aren't losing noticable sales by bundling. The software itself is priced (and lite being so highly featured is clear evidence of this) to get it into people's ecosystems and sell all BMs hardware to you.

Cristine,

Can we get a update on Northern/Mid Europe shipments?
None of the suppliers in Netherlands/Germany/Northern europe have received a camera, apart from 1 or 2 exceptions; but they only received 1 or 2 units next to demo models.

US have some orders fulfilled from SEPTEMBER, and Europe barely has fullfiled any April orders..

Please...

Pretty basic, this is what we are waiting for...

I've just joined this forum and I have to say it makes pretty depressing reading. I ordered a BMCC from CVP (a big dealer in the UK - on Blackmagic's authorised list) on 23rd April 2012 and I'm still waiting for it, so I'm unhappy to read about people in the USA taking delivery of theirs having placed orders as late as last month. Of course I don't blame the US customers and I hope they're enjoying their cameras, but it it doesn't say much for Blackmagic's ability to handle the demand fairly.

Blackmagic has told me - and I think it's been said here as well - that they're sending the same number of cameras to each of their offices (which I take to mean the six listed on the company's website - USA, Europe (UK), Australia, Asia (Singapore), China and Japan), as if that's an indication of fairness. If the policy results in American customers now getting their cameras almost immediately whilst Europeans are still waiting after 10 months, then something has obviously gone badly wrong.

Could the disparity be because the UK office covers the whole of Europe, the Middle East and South Africa, which have a combined population three times that of the USA?

No amount of smokes and screens explanation can convince anyone that every region has the same number of distribution. The facts are here and it shows the whole of Europe combined recieve a fraction of what one dealer in USA has, notably B&H.

The facts are here and it shows the whole of Europe combined recieve a fraction of what one dealer in USA has, notably B&H.

I'd be interested to see those figures, Samjack. Where can they be found?

I've just joined this forum and I have to say it makes pretty depressing reading. I ordered a BMCC from CVP (a big dealer in the UK - on Blackmagic's authorised list) on 23rd April 2012 and I'm still waiting for it, so I'm unhappy to read about people in the USA taking delivery of theirs having placed orders as late as last month. Of course I don't blame the US customers and I hope they're enjoying their cameras, but it it doesn't say much for Blackmagic's ability to handle the demand fairly.

Blackmagic has told me - and I think it's been said here as well - that they're sending the same number of cameras to each of their offices (which I take to mean the six listed on the company's website - USA, Europe (UK), Australia, Asia (Singapore), China and Japan), as if that's an indication of fairness. If the policy results in American customers now getting their cameras almost immediately whilst Europeans are still waiting after 10 months, then something has obviously gone badly wrong.

Could the disparity be because the UK office covers the whole of Europe, the Middle East and South Africa, which have a combined population three times that of the USA?

From what I hear, the EU market is the largest, and so you are correct in that because we get the same number of units as the other regions, they have to be more shared out.

I just read on another major BMCC forum that a guy in Tokyo says he just walked into a store and bought one "off the shelf" so to speak - as in no reservation or preorder.

I can understand how giving the same number of units to each region is considered to be "equal" - but clearly in this case it does not actually result in equality. BMD have said that they intend to continue to distribute the portions in this way, but I really wish they would reconsider - and start to distribute based on at least the number of resellers in each region.

I can't imagine it'd be that hard for BMD to contact their resellers and get a semi-accurate pre-order number and ship them proportionately?

Sending flat numbers blind to distributors at equal numbers appears fair, but doesn't account for order density.

I can't imagine it'd be that hard for BMD to contact their resellers and get a semi-accurate pre-order number and ship them proportionately?

A good point, well made. Apologies if I've missed it (and I know that many people have been on this forum a lot longer and explained their unhappiness more articulately than me), but please would someone from the company explain why the cameras are not being shared out by Blackmagic according to demand, as determined by the numbers of pre-orders received by dealers and/or distributors?

I just read on another major BMCC forum that a guy in Tokyo says he just walked into a store and bought one "off the shelf" so to speak - as in no reservation or preorder.

If true, that's shocking and would seem to prove that Blackmagic's distribution model is fatally flawed. If it's not the case, perhaps the company would say so here?

The facts are here and it shows the whole of Europe combined recieve a fraction of what one dealer in USA has, notably B&H.

I'd be interested to see those figures, Samjack. Where can they be found?

An easy one. B&H are shipping September backorders. Europe people are only just recieving theirs on the first day they ordered and many still waiting, CVP is Europe's biggest reseller and they got a grand total of 14.
Purely by economics I would say number of people who ordered a BMCC in USA and Europe are roughly equal.

Where is the back order line cut off anyway. I don't think BM owe anyone apart from the people who ordered before the first date in August. after that why should people be served before people who ordered the MFT? at this point I think the back orders could of been covered if they actually spread them out right.


bottom line BM. You really need to start shipping the MFT now. Ok you didn't distribute the EF mount properly to backorders. But now your creating a new back order line that is waiting actually longer than many of the EF mount people.

Its time BM it really is...........

B&H are shipping September backorders.

Not true. There's still tons of us July/August people that are still camera-less.

Not true. There's still tons of us July/August people that are still camera-less.

Well in the EU there seems to be tons of us that ordered directly after NAB in "April 2012" that are camera-less...it's obvious that BM should at least focus a few weeks production to the EU & get all our April/May orders done...or eventually shops outside the EU will be selling to EU customers bypassing BM distribution which is probably not all that fair to them. If shops in Tokio have unsold units sitting on shelves it seems just incredibly wrong....

Makes you wonder what the wait would be for some poor customer that walked into a EU shop today would be? It has to be 6 months at least...

The facts are here and it shows the whole of Europe combined recieve a fraction of what one dealer in USA has, notably B&H.

I'd be interested to see those figures, Samjack. Where can they be found?

An easy one. B&H are shipping September backorders. Europe people are only just recieving theirs on the first day they ordered and many still waiting, CVP is Europe's biggest reseller and they got a grand total of 14.
Purely by economics I would say number of people who ordered a BMCC in USA and Europe are roughly equal.

We ordered ours in Early July from B&H and it's still backordered, we're based in the Pacific Northwest of the US. So, I really hope they're not shipping September orders...

You're correct, Some September orders are fullfilled from Adorama, B&H No clue, but still May and on going seems unfair to 0 fullfilled april orders in the Netherlands, doesn't it?

You should be using NDIRs on pretty much all single chip D-Cinema cameras. This is not really that big of a deal. Hell-- you want to play with a beta camera, you should've seen the original Reds. Dayum.

And where is RED now?

Mmmmmhhhh.....I calculate to get my camera in the first week of June. or July?! ;O)

I don't know.....

RED

Its not just by country. Its by distributor. Find out when your distributor placed their order and how long their waiting list is.

Its not just by country. Its by distributor. Find out when your distributor placed their order and how long their waiting list is.

The issue is that if what Grant says is true then japan is getting the same number of BMCs as the whole of the EU, The EU has twice the population of the US hence the US is months ahead of the EU & 4x the population of Japan..which now seem to have unsold units actually sitting in shops...

In my retarded mind I feel that If they had sent

5x BMCC to the EU
2x BMCCs to the US
1x to Japan
1x China

then the whole world would be equally pissed off along with us in the EU but I would expect at least all the April May & perhaps June orders would have been done.... I can now see why they are doing it this way. But you would think all the EU distributors would be rioting as there seems to be no thought given to the logic of equal numbers to each office no matter how small...

Blackmagic should STOP the "Camera Shipping Update"

We need a "2013 Camera Update":

Since March 2012, price should changes!
Since March 2012, techno should perfectly works!
Since March 2012, focus quality works with all EF lenses!
Since March 2012, should be available...!

Since 2/8 nothing new. This is my last buy in BM. You are not serious with the customers. All of us are waiting for the camera that we paid 6 months ago (at least) and you are not able to give us some useful information about deliveries. Please tell us where are we at the moment and how much more we have to wait.

The EU has twice the population of the US hence the US is months ahead of the EU & 4x the population of Japan..which now seem to have unsold units actually sitting in shops...

It's worse than that, Phil. The UK office covers the whole of Europe (not just the EU), PLUS the Middle East, PLUS South Africa.

By my very rough calculations:

Population covered by the UK office: (Europe 740M, Middle East 385M, South Africa 50M) = 1175M
Population of North America (USA 315M, Canada 35M) = 350M
Population of Japan: 128M
Population of Australia: 23M

Are those four Blackmagic offices REALLY each being sent the same number of cameras?

So, how many weeks have they been ramping up production? Does anyone have an idea? Just curious.

So, how many weeks have they been ramping up production? Does anyone have an idea? Just curious.

Based on when Grant posted that last update, I'd guess around a month. It's hard to say how many they're making per week without being part of BMD, but I'd guess that we'll be getting an update soon.

I'd also expect that we'll discover that there are more cameras getting out there than we realize, because in addition to there being a lag between when the camera leaves BMD's factory and when it reaches a customer is likely going to be 2-3 weeks, it's also quite likely that most of the people who are awaiting BMCC's aren't poking around on these forums, and those who ARE receiving their cameras are probably too busy shooting to post

it's also quite likely that most of the people who are awaiting BMCC's aren't poking around on these forums, and those who ARE receiving their cameras are probably too busy shooting to post

For sure over on the BMCuser forum there is a thread where every member that finally gets a camera can post & say, it gives an indication of the speed of the deliveries. But there are still a few regular members that ordered in the few days directly after NAB last April from BM dealers that are waiting...every day you see someone that has ordered later then us get theirs & now we have guys in the US waiting just 4 weeks, customers in Japan able to buy off the shelf & EU unable to even clear Aprils orders. Im guessing its something to do with profits & EU licencing costs.

Have you guys seen this thread? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5119 It helps explain how cameras are distributed once they reach a regional distributor.

Christine any sign of update coming soon?

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We don't really have any new information to share at the moment, as far as I know. We're just continuing to ship out EF cameras.

We don't really have any new information to share at the moment, as far as I know. We're just continuing to ship out EF cameras.

Thanks for information! So, this actually means that there is no increase in shipping volume?

Stu Ashton did say today at BVE they're now shipping out in their hundreds and Blackmagic hope to really have taken a sizeable chunk out of the backorders by NAB.

Have you guys seen this thread? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5119 It helps explain how cameras are distributed once they reach a regional distributor.

Yes I read this before, but it gave no explanation as to why the EU which is twice the size of the US would be allocated the same number of cameras as Japan? This has to be why most of us that ordered in April last year still dont have a camera. Even the biggest UK dealer has not yet reached the 25th April.

Have you guys seen this thread? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5119 It helps explain how cameras are distributed once they reach a regional distributor.

Yes I read this before, but it gave no explanation as to why the EU which is twice the size of the US would be allocated the same number of cameras as Japan? This has to be why most of us that ordered in April last year still dont have a camera. Even the biggest UK dealer has not yet reached the 25th April.

Exactly, and if true that the EU distributor also has to serve the middle east + Africa, there is even more of a reason that maybe the EU distro should get a larger chunk.

The biggest UK dealer, has just caught up to an order made on the 18th of April. This dealer claims to have ordered 100 units at the time of the announcement.