14b8 & HUI MCU

Very nice update (& so quickly after the awful b7). This one is working very well for me now & including having solved the preview monitor playback issues with my Intensity Pro Shuttle. Now works exactly as in Premier, ProTools, Nuendo. All else seems very much snappier – better in locating, rendering, caching, colour correction page etc. Thanks BM.

Quick question re: "Added basic HUI protocol support over USB for MCU Pro Universal Control Surface on Mac and Windows". I have a couple of MCUs but can't seem to find a setup option for this anywhere nor in the manual. How is that meant to work?

Suggestion: add the native 'Mackie Control' mode, HUI is rather limited and ancient (even though Avid keep insisting on using it).

[Peter Chamberlain]

Early days for HUI. I'll start on docs next week.

Cheers.

Thanks Peter, really looking forward to trying my Avid Artist Mix on Resolve.
I purchased the studio version of Resolve after a very successful run with the free version.
Thank goodness for a worthy successor to FCP Studio!

Love your work

Early days for HUI. I'll start on docs next week.

Always thought that HUI implementation should also be mappable to control levels other than audio in an NLE.

e.g. If transform active/selected then faders could control scale, position, rotate, crop etc

For primary ccr then they switch to controlling RGBY for LGG

I know it's nothing like a proper interface but it would be incredibly useful if audio controller is all you have attached.

Or you get creative and have it all
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Or you get creative and have it all
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Interesting...

14b9. Nice to see the explicit addition of HUI and MIDI ports etc in the Resolve pres. However, on my system this still does not work. - Mackie MCU in HUI mode, works fine on ProTools HD 12.8.1. In this case, via a 8 port MIDI interface & which the OS sees across-the-board for any other application. Resolve correctly identifies all of these ports, its just that nothing happens once configured. Dead.

On another note re. audio: there still remains significant playback audio level difference between the Edit timeline and the Fairlight page - the latter is about 6bd or more louder & is the correct level. This seems to be fine in terms of delivery, just seems that the Edit page is consistently monitoring at a much lower level.

Alhough can not be sure , it does sound like a configuration problem. As i have, beside the full home cooked controller functions based on this protocol, also tried a few ipad apps that simulate mackie hui and they all work fine over network midi. So even virtual ports seem to work fine.
I suggest download the midi monitor app and see what is going on under the hood and if midi traffic both from resolve to the hui as well as from the hui to Resolve works and nothing is filterd for example on the midi interface or rerouted etc.
As you have a real hui, why not just plug in the usb and let Resolve during startup recognise it (no midi setup needed in resolve for this.)

Ps see you are on windows , which is a very diffrent beast with midi , but sure the are midi sniffing tools for windows you can use.

Alhough can not be sure , it does sound like a configuration problem. As i have, beside the full home cooked controller functions based on this protocol, also tried a few ipad apps that simulate mackie hui and they all work fine over network midi.

Thanks, this is not a 'real' HUI, is a Mackie MCU (& extender) running in HUI emulation mode; HUI is an ancient surface that Mackie once made for Digidesign). Also are v1 MCUs (MIDI, not USB) and so this hooks in via a 8 port ESI M8U-XL interface. All studio MIDI /USB ports are seen and used by ProTools, Nuendo etc, i.e. Windows aware of all, are named consistently, and can pump data around, sync etc as per various MIDI monitors and application configurators confirm.
Akai Avance 61 (2 MIDI ports)
Mackie MCU - ESI 8x interface, port 3
Mackie MCU extender - ESI 8x interface, port 4
Ableton Push, G-System, Avid 11R

In other words: anything MIDI in the studio can talk to anything else, either hardware or software.

Update then:

The port nomenclature in the list identified by Resolve is a bit garbled. It starts counting from other devices and so (say) 'MIDI port 3' I/O is not named & routed sensibly (Resolve sees this as port 5). In this case, the first two MIDI ports Resolve happens to find are from an Akai Advance 61 & so it continues to count down the other 8x ESI rack mount ports, then on to Ableton Push etc. In the case of the MCUs they connected via ESI ports 3 & 4, Resolve identifies these as '5' & '6'. That's on the way in. On the way out is further confused by another Microsoft MIDI rabbit of some sort ...

Anyways, patch in the right ports in Resolve & the MCU-HUI faders do work. Nothing on the transport panel as yet: play, stop, rewind, scrub, zoom etc are dead.

Ahaa, you see
Good you got it working. Certain things might not work yet as BM said its "basic" hui support. For me its only the Start Record (in transport , not the track record enable which works fine) that is not working. So patience is golden. In your case i guess when they implement the more moders MCU protocol as well , it likely works better.
p.s. Title says 14b8 but we are talking 14b9 here just to be sure. Also ( happens on mac so not sure if happens on windows) check after each restart of Resolve as it sometimes get a brain of its own and select another port. I have written a test routine in my controller to alert if wrong, but in your case check it. Seem to be happening mostly after resolve was not closed properly or crashed. Latest restarts all seemed to have worked.
Just be warned.

i cant get my artist mix panel running on 14-9....

when i open midi setup window (mac) then the Euphonics midi is greyed out and i cant activate it. I installed the free version of ProTools. without any changes the whole Mix Panel is working as it should. I dont have any idea but maybe ProTools connects not through Midi... i dint know.

I really hope BMD will make this panel working in near future. My other Panels like the Color wheels and the transport panel work like a charme... only my Mix Panel is dead for now....

I suggest you open a different thread for this. Here we talk about the HUI implementation , which is not relevant for your controller. Resolve needs to directly support it for it to work so check if something has changed in that respect.

I suggest you open a different thread for this. Here we talk about the HUI implementation , which is not relevant for your controller. Resolve needs to directly support it for it to work so check if something has changed in that respect.

no no... i think i am in the correct thread. Artist Mix Panel --> HUI --> Resolve (14-9)

Ah you are right, sorry. Misread and was thinking Artist Color
My bad. Need my reading glasses hahaha

edit: did some googling on artist mix and HUI and seems to be some issues there in general.
If it is grayed out in the system midi prefs , its generaly not good.
Anyway, i dont have one but suggest you check some of these threads to see if it works for you.
Here an example (old one ) : http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=322709

Thanks Glen... i think i saw every post about that issue . lol. I also wrote to BMD support. They still are working on this. For now only a handfull of fader panels work. Would be good if more owners of the Artist Mix will write here or to BMD support and ask for future request. The more useres need supported Mix panel the more chance is to get that running.

For now... keep on working and waiting

Yep it will come. Guess some panels are very strict in the handshake (which for hui is a simple note on/note off handshake) , while resolve itself works fine without receiving any handshake luckily (for me).
It does send out the handshake/ping to keep hardware controllers alive, but maybe some need a bit more.
My feeling, the dumber they are the better they work with HUI protocol in Resolve.

p.s. Found out the hard way that sending a/some wrong midi message to Resolve gives it an instant headshot. Good way for a sniper attack on your collegues Resolve station (but he has to have the HUI protocol enabled , which is too bad )

Any news? Did something changed in Version 14 now?

I found out that for MCU and HUI to work, you have to send touch for faders which the Korg NonoKontrol2 and others do not send. I have a solution to this by the use of Bome Software. If interested visit me at the Bome Forum at bome.com.



Or drop me an email.

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