Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 1:51 am

Charles Appleboot wrote:
So what would an active MFT brings you apart from image stabilization and iris control for some Lumix lenses none of which is an absolute necessity. A new development to introduce at NAB has to be more fundamental departure from what is already out there such as global shutter, S35 sensor, built in ND filter, 60fps or more.


What you're describing is a whole new camera. That won't happen until, at least, NAB 2014.
An Active MFT mount would allow the upcoming Metabones Speed Booster EF-MFT to fully interact with the BMCC. After all, every Canon EF lens has an electronic mount on it, and I'm 100% positive the adapter will have electronic communication.
Otherwise, you're stuck with Rokinon and Zeiss ZF Glass, with a F to EF adapter.


Let say I believe it when I see it regarding Metabones SB making use of active MFT mount. Even if it becomes a reality it hardly offer anything of advantage that cannot be done using dumb MFT mount outside of controlling a few Lumix lenses.
I use a GH2 and definately not stuck from using Canon EF lenses. What did people use before electronic iris/aperture control?
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Buy from Japan.

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 4:00 am

My camera arrived yesterday. I had it shipped in from Japan which took a small bit of communication and google translation but it arrived intact and my Tokina 11-16 even works flawlessly.

Yoshiara Nakamizo at DVC Co. was a pleasure to work with. He shipped the camera and sent me a tracking # through EMS before I transferred the money into his account! I paid $3,114.00 after express shipping and wire transfer fee charge from my bank.

I found the link to his Amazon Japan store through this forum. His Amazon Japan account will not allow him to ship to international addresses so I called him (The number was in his contact info. on Amazon). After a brief call we both decided that email worked better given the small language barrier. We exchanged information including a picture of him holding the BMDCC box.

I received the package through US customs and all total shipping time of 4 business days to my house in San Francisco (Before my money even cleared his bank).

See links and pics for the rest of the story. Tell him Jeremie Barineau sent you :D

http://dvcs.jp/

http://www.amazon.co.jp/BlackmagicDesig ... 319&sr=8-1
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Re: Buy from Japan.

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 4:02 am

BetaEcho wrote:My camera arrived yesterday. I had it shipped in from Japan which took a small bit of communication and google translation but it arrived intact and my Tokina 11-16 even works flawlessly.

Yoshiara Nakamizo at DVC Co. was a pleasure to work with. He shipped the camera and sent me a tracking # through EMS before I transferred the money into his account! I paid $3,114.00 after express shipping and wire transfer fee charge from my bank.

I found the link to his Amazon Japan store through this forum. His Amazon Japan account will not allow him to ship to international addresses so I called him (The number was in his contact info. on Amazon). After a brief call we both decided that email worked better given the small language barrier. We exchanged information including a picture of him holding the BMDCC box.

I received the package through US customs and all total shipping time of 4 business days to my house in San Francisco (Before my money even cleared his bank).

See links and pics for the rest of the story. Tell him Jeremie Barineau sent you :D

http://dvcs.jp/

http://www.amazon.co.jp/BlackmagicDesig ... 319&sr=8-1
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Re: Buy from Japan.

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 4:04 am

BetaEcho wrote:
BetaEcho wrote:My camera arrived yesterday. I had it shipped in from Japan which took a small bit of communication and google translation but it arrived intact and my Tokina 11-16 even works flawlessly.

Yoshiara Nakamizo at DVC Co. was a pleasure to work with. He shipped the camera and sent me a tracking # through EMS before I transferred the money into his account! I paid $3,114.00 after express shipping and wire transfer fee charge from my bank.

I found the link to his Amazon Japan store through this forum. His Amazon Japan account will not allow him to ship to international addresses so I called him (The number was in his contact info. on Amazon). After a brief call we both decided that email worked better given the small language barrier. We exchanged information including a picture of him holding the BMDCC box.

I received the package through US customs and all total shipping time of 4 business days to my house in San Francisco (Before my money even cleared his bank).

See links and pics for the rest of the story. Tell him Jeremie Barineau sent you :D

http://dvcs.jp/

http://www.amazon.co.jp/BlackmagicDesig ... 319&sr=8-1
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 11:35 am

Let say I believe it when I see it regarding Metabones SB making use of active MFT mount. Even if it becomes a reality it hardly offer anything of advantage that cannot be done using dumb MFT mount outside of controlling a few Lumix lenses.
I use a GH2 and definately not stuck from using Canon EF lenses. What did people use before electronic iris/aperture control?


I know about the versatility of the MFT mount. That's why I also use a GH2 and why I'm interested in the BMCC MFT and not the EF.
But, let's be honest: The most common kind of lenses we can find right now, are both EF and Nikon F.
Like I said, What you described in your first post was a whole different camera. I know we all want that, but it's most likely not happening. Not this year at least.
An Active mount would allow people to use those EF lenses, which are almost always electronic, fully with the Speedbooster. That way, we would gain the stop of light, sharpen the image and get a sensor size similar to Super35 AND have full control over aperture and other goodies.
I do know we can live happily with a passive mount, because so many good lenses are fully mechanical anyway. But, to have the option to use EF and Lumix (Or Olympus) glass, is a huge plus to people like documentary shooters. The autofocus and Image Stabilization are very important in areas like this, especially with that rolling shutter.
Again, I'm not saying this is what we really want: What we want is what you stated. But, this is a little plus that we might actually get.

Also, Congrats to BetaEcho! I hope the camera bring you happy (lol)
No, but seriously: I hope the camera works fine and you give it good use :)
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 2:36 pm

Charles Appleboot wrote:
Let say I believe it when I see it regarding Metabones SB making use of active MFT mount. Even if it becomes a reality it hardly offer anything of advantage that cannot be done using dumb MFT mount outside of controlling a few Lumix lenses.
I use a GH2 and definately not stuck from using Canon EF lenses. What did people use before electronic iris/aperture control?


I know about the versatility of the MFT mount. That's why I also use a GH2 and why I'm interested in the BMCC MFT and not the EF.
But, let's be honest: The most common kind of lenses we can find right now, are both EF and Nikon F.
Like I said, What you described in your first post was a whole different camera. I know we all want that, but it's most likely not happening. Not this year at least.
An Active mount would allow people to use those EF lenses, which are almost always electronic, fully with the Speedbooster. That way, we would gain the stop of light, sharpen the image and get a sensor size similar to Super35 AND have full control over aperture and other goodies.
I do know we can live happily with a passive mount, because so many good lenses are fully mechanical anyway. But, to have the option to use EF and Lumix (Or Olympus) glass, is a huge plus to people like documentary shooters. The autofocus and Image Stabilization are very important in areas like this, especially with that rolling shutter.
Again, I'm not saying this is what we really want: What we want is what you stated. But, this is a little plus that we might actually get.



I knew about Metabones Speed Booster, you are speaking to the converted and don't need to explain to me about its S35 style potential. That said an active MFT does not represents a leap of performance, it only represent a modest leap in terms of controlling a few Lumix lenses. What exist, anticipated or rumour to come from Metabones are completely seperate from BMD's own devepment since they are serperate companies. As I said even if Metabones SB find a way of working with BMC with active MFT mount there is no real advance over current dumb mount MFT outside from controlling the iris/aperture on electronic controllable lens. Have people become so lazy they cannot set the iris of their Canon EF lens on a Canon body? The task is not worth mentioning compare to the task of rigging the BMC for filming.
Comming to NAB 2013 if an active MFT BMC is announced it will just be just a rehash of previous year's model window dressed as new technology. There is no break through either in technology or real upgrade.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostFri Mar 29, 2013 4:30 pm

I knew about Metabones Speed Booster, you are speaking to the converted and don't need to explain to me about its S35 style potential. That said an active MFT does not represents a leap of performance, it only represent a modest leap in terms of controlling a few Lumix lenses. What exist, anticipated or rumour to come from Metabones are completely seperate from BMD's own devepment since they are serperate companies. As I said even if Metabones SB find a way of working with BMC with active MFT mount there is no real advance over current dumb mount MFT outside from controlling the iris/aperture on electronic controllable lens. Have people become so lazy they cannot set the iris of their Canon EF lens on a Canon body? The task is not worth mentioning compare to the task of rigging the BMC for filming.
Comming to NAB 2013 if an active MFT BMC is announced it will just be just a rehash of previous year's model window dressed as new technology. There is no break through either in technology or real upgrade.


This discussion isn't going anywhere. Good day.
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PostSat Mar 30, 2013 9:00 pm

I ordered the EF BMC in August at Teltec Berlin. After reading that a guy from Cologne still hasn't received his April order and just placed another one in february which arrived 2 weeks later (!!) I did the same at Video Data Hamburg. 10 days later I got the call that they have a camera for me which I'll get next week. Weird but I'm so excited to hold the camera in my hands! :)
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostSun Mar 31, 2013 4:08 am

Charles Appleboot wrote:
Let say I believe it when I see it regarding Metabones SB making use of active MFT mount. Even if it becomes a reality it hardly offer anything of advantage that cannot be done using dumb MFT mount outside of controlling a few Lumix lenses.
I use a GH2 and definately not stuck from using Canon EF lenses. What did people use before electronic iris/aperture control?


I know about the versatility of the MFT mount. That's why I also use a GH2 and why I'm interested in the BMCC MFT and not the EF.
But, let's be honest: The most common kind of lenses we can find right now, are both EF and Nikon F.
Like I said, What you described in your first post was a whole different camera. I know we all want that, but it's most likely not happening. Not this year at least.
An Active mount would allow people to use those EF lenses, which are almost always electronic, fully with the Speedbooster. That way, we would gain the stop of light, sharpen the image and get a sensor size similar to Super35 AND have full control over aperture and other goodies.
I do know we can live happily with a passive mount, because so many good lenses are fully mechanical anyway. But, to have the option to use EF and Lumix (Or Olympus) glass, is a huge plus to people like documentary shooters. The autofocus and Image Stabilization are very important in areas like this, especially with that rolling shutter.
Again, I'm not saying this is what we really want: What we want is what you stated. But, this is a little plus that we might actually get.

Also, Congrats to BetaEcho! I hope the camera bring you happy (lol)
No, but seriously: I hope the camera works fine and you give it good use :)


Thank you. I'll do my best.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostSun Mar 31, 2013 11:59 pm

me two got my camera. i ordered in japan. was nice to hold it in my hands the first time :) i canceled my other preorders
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostMon Apr 01, 2013 6:50 am

Charles Appleboot wrote:
I knew about Metabones Speed Booster, you are speaking to the converted and don't need to explain to me about its S35 style potential. That said an active MFT does not represents a leap of performance, it only represent a modest leap in terms of controlling a few Lumix lenses. What exist, anticipated or rumour to come from Metabones are completely seperate from BMD's own devepment since they are serperate companies. As I said even if Metabones SB find a way of working with BMC with active MFT mount there is no real advance over current dumb mount MFT outside from controlling the iris/aperture on electronic controllable lens. Have people become so lazy they cannot set the iris of their Canon EF lens on a Canon body? The task is not worth mentioning compare to the task of rigging the BMC for filming.
Comming to NAB 2013 if an active MFT BMC is announced it will just be just a rehash of previous year's model window dressed as new technology. There is no break through either in technology or real upgrade.


This discussion isn't going anywhere. Good day.


To sum up, changing a lens mount does not make it a new camera. Good Day
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PostMon Apr 01, 2013 7:37 am

Funny, there has been a pricedrop in the Netherlands as well!
It's funny because there has not even one been sold by this store. They only got a one demo model so far.

But the pricedrop is a good 300 euro! So now that the price it right, SEND US SOME BMC's :mrgreen:

http://www.cameratools.nl/winkel/product/zoekresultaat/?alstart=0&artsearch=black%20magic%20cinema&artsearchmode=AND
"http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?15224-My-first-82min-featurelength-film-(filmed-with-BMPC)"
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostMon Apr 01, 2013 2:14 pm

I figured when the production issue around the sensor was resolved, the end of March was plenty of time for BM to get caught up and we'd all have our cameras. I was wrong. My excitement level around having this thing has plummeted. Thanks BM.
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PostTue Apr 02, 2013 7:47 am

I never thought I'd ever write this, but I just got a call from my local reseller here in Switzerland and I'll have my camera (EF) by thursday! Ordered right after the NAB! :) This is birthday, christmas and easter present in one!
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PostTue Apr 02, 2013 1:22 pm

BetaEcho wrote:See links and pics for the rest of the story. Tell him Jeremie Barineau sent you :D


Just ordered from him as well, sick of waiting for B&H to finally ship mine. Hope to get it soon!
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PostTue Apr 02, 2013 6:07 pm

shanerator2 wrote:
BetaEcho wrote:See links and pics for the rest of the story. Tell him Jeremie Barineau sent you :D


Just ordered from him as well, sick of waiting for B&H to finally ship mine. Hope to get it soon!


You won't regret it. I had 3 on pre-order from 3 different companies to see which would pony up first.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 02, 2013 7:30 pm

I placed my order in November with talks of receiving the camera latest February (quoted at the blackmagic roadshow) this was before the sensor problems were discovered I know. My gripe is that when I placed my order with CVP I was told that I would be kept up to date with the progress of the order. Since that 1st email I have not received anything further from CVP no update, no apology (not that the sensor problems or shipping is their fault) but I am none the less a customer and I do feel neglected. So I emailed them the other day and the reply I received is below. Now I have been reading this forum since placing the order so I know where I stand and am up to date with the issues. What now concerns me is that CVP tell me and everyone else that they will keep updating, well according to the email they were last updated on 15th December but there was an update from BM 8th February. Have they not spoken to Holdan the UK distributor to find out what is happening? Have Holdan been chasing? or phoned BM themselves to ask what the hell is going on and that we have xxxx amount of unhappy customers that we have charged deposits/full amount (and making interest of our money!). Or are they adopting the British mentality of "not my problems theres nothing I can do about it" and then just sit back and take it. I know that I would I would be phoning every day until I had fulfilled all my pre orders at least. I would also at the very least send a mail out to the people waiting.

Daniel, hi

In case you are not aware of the severe production and shipping delays on the Blackmagic camera - the most recent updates we have (from Blackmagic themselves) are as follows...

15th December 2012 - http://blog.creativevideo.co.uk/2012/12 ... ic-design/
15th November 2012 - http://blog.creativevideo.co.uk/2012/11 ... ma-camera/
08th November 2012 - http://blog.creativevideo.co.uk/2012/11 ... ra-delays/

Your order was placed in November 2012. This camera was announced in April 2012 with many pre-orders placed before yours was received. We are obviously fulfilling our pre orders in chronological order respectively as and when these cameras arrive into stock.

At the current rate these cameras have been trickling into stock (which is unfortunately at a very frustrating snail pace) - if this continues I would estimate it would take months rather than weeks for the camera for your order to arrive in. If the production and shipping rate of these cameras increase then better news all round and the camera for your order will be with you quicker. Unfortunately we are all at the mercy of Blackmagic in this instance.

If the appalling delay is unacceptable for you - I understand and can help amend your order to another camera (example a C100 or FS700 for example) that is more readily available if you would be willing to consider an alternative.

Please understand this situation is as frustrating for us, as it is for you. If you'd like to advise how you would prefer to proceed and we will do our best to help.

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 02, 2013 11:03 pm

The whole peorder thing... well... it never worked.
Some are waitting moths, otherones are getting the camera after weeks.
I'm not saying is anyones fault. Just that the preorder list its what it is, a store list.
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 1:50 pm

BMCC M43 Arrived..

Not sure how this camera order system is working but i ordered a M43 version End of January, camera has arrived already in Australia so picking up tomorrow...
The M43 versions are obviously in big production numbers if supply is here now, after reading all the posts here i wasn't expecting to see mine til June/July...
Sorry for all you who are still waiting....Hopefully shouldn't be too much longer...
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truestory wrote:BMCC M43 Arrived..

Not sure how this camera order system is working but i ordered a M43 version End of January, camera has arrived already in Australia so picking up tomorrow...
The M43 versions are obviously in big production numbers if supply is here now, after reading all the posts here i wasn't expecting to see mine til June/July...
Sorry for all you who are still waiting....Hopefully shouldn't be too much longer...



Wait a minute...before I/we get excited...are you part of some sort of beta user?
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostWed Apr 03, 2013 2:39 pm

Well!, I finally ordered the BlackMagic CC EF model at Videologic Sistemas (Valencia, Spain). Price was fixed at the end at 2900€ VAT incl. so it is cheaper than it was a month ago, but we are talking only about 100€ less...not that much.

Now it´s time to wait until it gets to my hands. Looking forward to hearing the magic words! "your BMCC has arrived, you can pick it up" :D :D
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 2:47 pm

Jim DeLuca wrote:
truestory wrote:BMCC M43 Arrived..

Not sure how this camera order system is working but i ordered a M43 version End of January, camera has arrived already in Australia so picking up tomorrow...
The M43 versions are obviously in big production numbers if supply is here now, after reading all the posts here i wasn't expecting to see mine til June/July...
Sorry for all you who are still waiting....Hopefully shouldn't be too much longer...



Wait a minute...before I/we get excited...are you part of some sort of beta user?

I'm 99.9% sure that MFTs have not shipped to any customers yet. I'll double-check when Australia wakes up, but "truestory," are you sure that you aren't receiving an EF version? (That happened with someone before, who thought they were receiving an MFT but had actually ordered an EF.) What reseller did you place your order with?
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 2:49 pm

Well i hope it is a M43 version, because that it what i ordered...
Better wait til i pick up to verify, maybe i jumped the gun here...
Will reply as soon as i get hands on....
Please don't go ballistic just yet as may be a false alarm.....
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 pm

I was called up by my distributor in Sweden
he told me that may camera had arrived (i ordered in april 2012)
and that it was going to be cheaper than i had been quoted.

As you can imagine I was thrilled, but a little suspicious, as I had switched to the MTF model just after it was announced. "Whoops! sorry your camera hasn´t arrived, it´s an EF which we will be passed on to someone else".

Disapointment, yes
and what´s all the price drop thing about?
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 4:35 pm

bartman wrote:
Christine Peterson wrote: I'm 99.9% sure that MFTs have not shipped to any customers yet. I'll double-check when Australia wakes up, but "truestory," are you sure that you aren't receiving an EF version? (That happened with someone before, who thought they were receiving an MFT but had actually ordered an EF.) What reseller did you place your order with?


Well there you have it folks! formal confirmation for all of us hoping that the MFTs might be on their way, no such luck ... meaning, it will probably be months and months before the MTF´s start trickling out to distributors in the far corners of the world.
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Maybe the price drop thing is their way of saying "sorry"? It

Seems like a pretty classy company, so i wouldn't put it past them.
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Clark Fable wrote:Maybe the price drop thing is their way of saying "sorry"? It

Seems like a pretty classy company, so i wouldn't put it past them.


Yes, we live in hope, but I don't know of any other company that lowers the price of a new camera by 10%
to say sorry?

or am I wrong?
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 8:09 pm

bartman wrote:
Clark Fable wrote:Maybe the price drop thing is their way of saying "sorry"? It

Seems like a pretty classy company, so i wouldn't put it past them.


Yes, we live in hope, but I don't know of any other company that lowers the price of a new camera by 10%
to say sorry?

or am I wrong?


I agree it's strange, but it's not like they have excess stock lying around. Fair market price for immediate delivery is still well above the presale price.
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 8:56 pm

Got tired of waiting on one pre order for MFT at one vendor, so placed orders today for both MFT and EF elsewhere. One of the vendors, Adorama, said, and I quote, delivery in "4-6 weeks from order date." I'm guessing this would only pertain to EF.
I don't think it's true, but one can only hope.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostWed Apr 03, 2013 9:04 pm

bartman wrote:I was called up by my distributor in Sweden
he told me that may camera had arrived (i ordered in april 2012)
and that it was going to be cheaper than i had been quoted.

As you can imagine I was thrilled, but a little suspicious, as I had switched to the MTF model just after it was announced. "Whoops! sorry your camera hasn´t arrived, it´s an EF which we will be passed on to someone else".

Disapointment, yes
and what´s all the price drop thing about?


Sorry to hear that man, that shocks.....
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PostWed Apr 03, 2013 10:43 pm

Christine Peterson wrote:I'm 99.9% sure that MFTs have not shipped to any customers yet. I'll double-check when Australia wakes up


MFT's haven't shipped. They've landed with beta testers only.

There'll be a statement re shipping from NAB next week.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostThu Apr 04, 2013 5:22 am

False Alarm M43

Sorry all, the distributor had the EF version after all, all that excitement suddenly fizzled..

Anyway, i do Love Black Magic, they have changed the industry with their cutting edge products and pricing, so i am happy to wait for my M43 BMCC...
To all those on this forum who seem intent on constantly spewing venom toward Black Magic, all i can say is
get a life. If the delay of a $3000 camera is going to cause you extreme trauma then you really need to find another occupation....
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostThu Apr 04, 2013 6:37 am

truestory wrote:False Alarm M43

Sorry all, the distributor had the EF version after all, all that excitement suddenly fizzled..

Anyway, i do Love Black Magic, they have changed the industry with their cutting edge products and pricing, so i am happy to wait for my M43 BMCC...
To all those on this forum who seem intent on constantly spewing venom toward Black Magic, all i can say is
get a life. If the delay of a $3000 camera is going to cause you extreme trauma then you really need to find another occupation....
Cheers


Why would customers need to find another occupation? For me videography is a hobby. To many $3,000 is still a lot of money and investment in their business which may cost many times as much and not strictly limited to just the cost of the camera itself. Why don't you get a life rather than telling us what to do :roll:
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PostThu Apr 04, 2013 7:29 am

Why would customers need to find another occupation? For me videography is a hobby. To many $3,000 is still a lot of money and investment in their business which may cost many times as much and not strictly limited to just the cost of the camera itself. Why don't you get a life rather than telling us what to do


Well, not going to get in a bun fight, but you did answer your own question!!!!
If videography is only a hobby for you, how could the delay of a camera be such a trauma.....
Buy a GH3 in the meantime and shoot some amazing images.... or perhaps its time to look for a new hobby, maybe basket weaving could be more suited to you.... :lol:
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostThu Apr 04, 2013 9:55 am

truestory wrote:
Why would customers need to find another occupation? For me videography is a hobby. To many $3,000 is still a lot of money and investment in their business which may cost many times as much and not strictly limited to just the cost of the camera itself. Why don't you get a life rather than telling us what to do


Well, not going to get in a bun fight, but you did answer your own question!!!!
If videography is only a hobby for you, how could the delay of a camera be such a trauma.....
Buy a GH3 in the meantime and shoot some amazing images.... or perhaps its time to look for a new hobby, maybe basket weaving could be more suited to you.... :lol:


You sound a like a troll deliberately stirr up trouble from the start.
I won't buy a GH3 even if the BMC werent announced I wouldnt buy it. What do you think I'm doing now, don't need you to tell me what I should do. It does not get in the way of the FACT that delivery of BMC cameras has gone awry for many people.
As someone else put it, its like ordering an ice cream and then just wait while you watch someone behind you in the queu eating it.
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PostThu Apr 04, 2013 10:22 am

Hej folks! back to the thread please!

Camera Shipping Update: 2/8
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostMon Apr 08, 2013 8:04 am

Two new Blackmagic Cinema Cameras at NAB Show

Blackmagic Production Camera 4K - 3.995 $

Super 35 Sensor, Global Shutter, Ultra HD and 4K, Built in SSD, Touch LCD, Metadata Entry, CinemaDNG RAW, ProRes, Thunderbolt, EF Mount, Free DaVinci Resolve & Ultra Scope

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera - 995 $

Super 16 Sensor , 13 Stops of Dynamic Range, Recording on SD Card, High Resolution LCD, ProRes, 1920x1080 Lossless CinemaDNG RAW, Active Micro Four Thirds Lens mount, HDMI monitoring with overlays.

https://www.facebook.com/cinema.camera?group_id=0
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 9:18 am

They look great! I'm not sure if I should cancel my pre-order now, and pre-order the pre-order or ask for the pre-order for 2014 Blackmagic pre-order. Then I'd definitely know I'm getting something for 2016. :D
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 10:20 am

The new cameras do look great, but surely there needs to be some info on the production and shipping.
Given that all these 2.5k camera people are still waiting on their order it seems only fair to give some kind of timescale for the new cameras, if nothing else, from a customer service point of view.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 3:32 pm

Ruben Fernandez wrote:Don't say I didn't tell you http://nofilmschool.com/2013/04/blackma ... rice-cost/


that´s the reason why no updates since 2/8... A lot of people probably would cancel their orders and the 2,5K would be a disaster. I hope they don´t make people wait 1 year to have the new 4K... That´s the way this company works... Zero transparency...
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 3:41 pm

Ha, I spoke to Black Magic rep at BVE in London and he told me that no way would BM release a new camera at NAB because it would be corporate suicide when they haven't even properly shipped the previous generation model. Guess they were wrong.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 3:53 pm

I've just canceled my order. I need a camera soon, so going to go with something else... but also going to pre-order the 4k. BMD your such a tease.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 4:15 pm

Get Ready for the flood of angry customers. Well at least the 2.5 k model has an extra stop of light.
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PostMon Apr 08, 2013 4:28 pm

Just got an email from grant.

"Hi,

It’s NAB 2013 time and we have some very exciting products and technology we are announcing today, and I wanted to email you to update you on all the details.

The theme this year is Ultra HD and 6G-SDI technology. We have already shipped 3 products that support Ultra HD, however the big secret is that these products already have the new 6G-SDI connections built in, so they can handle Ultra HD via a single BNC cable. I have more details below.

The new products we are announcing this year are:

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera
Blackmagic Production Camera 4K
DaVinci Resolve 10
ATEM Production Studio 4K
Blackmagic Audio Monitor
SmartScope Duo
ATEM Studio Converter 2
DeckLink Mini Recorder and DeckLink Mini Monitor
Blackmagic MultiDock
New low prices for the Universal Videohub Family.
Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera

Last year we launched the Blackmagic Cinema Camera and although we had sensor supply issues, the cameras are flowing faster all the time and the people receiving them are doing some stunning work. It’s really amazing watching the work people have done appear on various web sites!

Of course, the big aim of this camera was to get a true film look. We worked hard on the design to do this and the images are stunning! However another one of our design goals was to make a cinema camera that was an extremely small size. The Blackmagic Cinema Camera is very small and much smaller than a normal cinema style camera.

What we wanted to do next was see if we could make a cinema camera even smaller!

We have done this, and the new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is incredibly tiny. It’s a true digital film camera with a Super 16 size 1080HD sensor with 13 stops of dynamic range. The images look virtually identical to our current camera!

It features a Micro Four Thirds™ lens mount so you can use low cost lenses, but also Super 16 cine lenses via an adapter. If you use a Super 16 cine lens, combined with the Super 16 sensor size and the 13 stops of dynamic range, it’s just like shooting to Super 16 film! Of course you can rig it up with large lenses so it’s perfect for large jobs too!

We have worked incredibly hard to build the smallest camera design we could, while retaining the ability to comfortably use it hand held. It’s an attractive design with built in stereo mic's, LANC, micro HDMI with overlays for monitoring, solid grip handle that holds a removable battery and built in recorder to SD cards. It records lossless CinemaDNG RAW and ProRes 422 (HQ), so the image quality is amazing.

I feel that the small design lets this camera be used for all kinds of tasks a normal camera would be too large to handle. My feeling is a small camera can always be bigger, but a big camera can never be smaller. I think its going to be very exciting to see what kind of work is done with this camera. For myself, it’s nice to have a camera I can use personally for shooting my family, which gives a timeless film look.

The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera will be shipping in July for $995.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/bmpcc/
Ultra HD, 4K and New 6G-SDI Technology

For over a year, we have been working with semi conductor manufacturers to develop 6G-SDI technology. 6G-SDI lets us connect Ultra HD resolution video using a single SDI cable. Ultra HD is 4 times the data rate of regular HD video and looks absolutely stunning.

We think Ultra HD 4K is important, as the latest large screen televisions have such large screens that HD video looks soft on them. The dots per inch have become lower as the screen sizes get larger, so the large screen televisions that consumers are buying start to look bad. I think Ultra HD is the perfect solution to solve this issue, but we need a lot of content to fill those screens!

This year we have a whole range of products that support Ultra HD, and this includes everything you need for an Ultra HD workflow including a new camera, live production switcher, audio monitoring, optical fiber, a broadcast deck, and capture and playback solutions that all operate in Ultra HD with 6G-SDI connections. There are more details below on these new models.

6G-SDI is perfect because it switches between SD, HD and Ultra HD resolutions, so you can use all these products for regular SD and HD work, and then switch instantly to Ultra HD when required.

Our HyperDeck Studio Pro, UltraStudio 4K and DeckLink 4K Extreme are shipping now with 6G-SDI support built in, which makes them the first products in the world to support 6G-SDI for Ultra HD! HyperDeck Studio Pro is also getting an update that supports recording direct to Ultra HD ProRes 422 (HQ) files so its now the perfect Ultra HD broadcast deck!

We will be providing updates over the coming weeks to increase support for Ultra HD on these models. Please keep a look out for these software updates!

Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

The first of the Ultra HD products this year is a new camera!

The new Blackmagic Production Camera 4K features a large Super 35 size sensor with a global shutter. This makes it easy to get shallow depth of field shots as well as shots with fast motion and is something people have been asking for.

The Blackmagic Production Camera 4K is housed in the same chassis as our current Blackmagic Cinema Camera so all the third party accessories that have been developed will fit perfectly. It features an EF compatible lens mount as the sensor in this camera is way too large physically, to fit in a MFT lens mount.

This new camera features recording to solid state disks in visually lossless compressed CinemaDNG RAW and ProRes 422 (HQ) formats, built in Thunderbolt and 6G-SDI output to allow Ultra HD video out. The sensor features 12 stops of dynamic range, so this camera gives a nice look to the images and is perfect for all types of production work!

Blackmagic Production Camera 4K also includes 6G-SDI output for monitoring on Ultra HD displays and includes overlays. However this output can be down converted to regular HD when you want to use a more common and smaller monitor. The 6G-SDI output supports Ultra HD down the single BNC cable so it’s perfect for use with a live production switcher such as the new ATEM Production Studio 4K below!

The Blackmagic Production Camera 4K will be available in July for $3,995.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/bmpc4k/
DaVinci Resolve 10

Before I get to other Ultra HD products, we have a major update to DaVinci Resolve this year with the new DaVinci Resolve 10. Of course DaVinci Resolve already handles 4K and Ultra HD resolutions!

We have new on set tools for sound sync, as well as Resolve Live which lets you grade from your camera in real time. There are new editing features, support for OpenFX plug-ins and new delivery tools that let you render in Resolve direct to a Digital Cinema Package file for digital cinemas when purchasing a license from EasyDCP. This means you can online to a cinema file direct from the camera RAW files all in one pass for amazing quality!

The new Resolve Live feature lets you grade live from the video input of your system so you can grade live from the camera. It’s the same as how a DaVinci 2K grading system works!

Resolve Live lets you grade live from the camera and then save those grades and relink them to the media files from the camera at the end of the shoot. You can even grade from the Thunderbolt connection of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera. Resolve Live lets you add as many nodes and color corrections as you like.

There are also new editing features in DaVinci Resolve 10 including full multi track editing with 16 channels of audio per clip and unlimited video and audio tracks in the timeline.

Audio can be synced or trimmed and dragged independently to the timeline. Other new editing features include extensive ripple, roll, slide and slip clip trimming support which display dynamically on the timeline and viewer. The viewer also allows split screen display to show in and out points of adjacent clips.

Editing in DaVinci Resolve 10 also includes a built in title tool with static, lower third, scroll and crawl titles with multiple fonts, size, drop shadow and XY positioning. Timelines in DaVinci Resolve 10 also include the support of compound clips with multiple elements including multiple video and audio tracks.

DaVinci Resolve 10 can edit stereoscopic 3D projects with full support for left and right eye clips in the media pool and the edit timeline. Using timecode and reel name, DaVinci Resolve 10 will automatically associate the left and right eye of the stereoscopic clips.

Of course color correction has been upgraded and includes new OpenFX plug-ins as well as unlimited windows in a node, recursive noise reduction and lots of other new features.

DaVinci Resolve 10 will be available as a free update to all DaVinci Resolve customers in Q3. DaVinci Resolve Lite will also include these new on set, editing enhancements, plug in support and color correction updates. It’s an exciting update!

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/dvres/
ATEM Production Studio 4K

I feel that the biggest barrier to Ultra HD will be the quantity of Ultra HD content that is available, and the fastest way to generate lots of Ultra HD content is live production!

The new ATEM Production Studio 4K is the world's first Ultra HD production switcher and the whole switcher operates natively in Ultra HD, regular HD or SD.

The switcher has a total of 8 inputs, 4 of them 6G-SDI and 4 of them HDMI. The switcher features frame sync on each input, an upstream keyer, transitions, two downstream keys, a media pool with 20 RGBA stills, 2 media players, Photoshop™ Plug-in and much more. All of these features operate in Ultra HD!

The switcher also has a built in multi view for monitoring 8 sources, preview and program feeds. The multi view output is in regular HD so you can use any HD television or monitor even when working in Ultra HD!

The switcher has program and a down converted program output. If you’re operating in Ultra HD then the down converted output provides a regular HD program feed. The switcher has an aux output and the front panel is made from machined metal and has buttons that let you do live aux switching direct from the front panel. There is also an LCD for monitoring the aux output. This is quite nice for setting up jobs.

This is an amazing switcher and we have been so excited to work on it. It’s going to be really exciting watching people build Ultra HD live broadcast trucks and even fly away kits where amazing live events can be captured in Ultra HD!

ATEM Production Studio will be available in a few weeks for $1,995.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/atemps4/
Blackmagic Audio Monitor

Good quality rack mount audio monitoring has aways been a problem because other solutions are complex to use and don't have the features most people working in video need.

We have designed the Blackmagic Audio Monitor to be attractive but also to include all the features video industry people need. It includes great quality sound with dual subwoofers for a wide frequency response.

To make it the perfect audio monitoring solution for video, it also has SDI inputs, an LCD screen and a HDMI monitoring output built in. The SDI is not just any SDI, but 6G-SDI so it can handle Ultra HD as standard. It switches automatically between SD, HD and Ultra HD and you can select to de-embed audio from any of the SDI audio channels using simple front panel buttons.

The design is all machined metal, and even the speaker grills are machined metal for an amazing look and super tough design. The level meters can be customized to different types of metering and they are a nice large RGB LED based design that looks incredible. We have even designed the volume knob to be contact-less so you don’t get any crackling as the volume control can never wear out!

If you’re monitoring normal audio then we also have that covered with balanced analog input, HiFi analog audio input, and AES/EBU input. The HDMI monitoring output supports Ultra HD televisions, but if you’re running Ultra HD and plug in a normal HD HDMI television, it will even down convert the video to regular HD!

This is an amazing solution for audio monitoring and is fantastic when used with the ATEM Production Studio 4K or with UltraStudio 4K in post production. It looks incredible in a rack and sounds great too!

Blackmagic Audio Monitor will be available in a few weeks for $1,495.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/bmam/
SmartScope Duo

Ever since we released our UltraScope waveform monitoring, people have really loved having broadcast accurate scopes in their color correction and editing environments. It’s a fantastic tool.

However, we wanted to design a rack mount solution that could be used for live production, color correction and general broadcast. To solve this problem we have designed an extremely high speed processor into an enhanced version of our SmartView Duo. This SmartScope Duo features all the scopes available in UltraScope and you can have any variation of these per side on the dual 8” LCD's.

What this means is you could have RGB Parade and Vectorscope for a color correction studio. You could choose picture view on the left side and audio scope on the right side for general broadcast rack monitoring. You could pick histogram and video for a production shoot. You can have any combination you like.

All the scopes are broadcast accurate and you can choose from waveform, vectorscope, RGB parade, YUV parade, histogram and audio levels and phase display. The SmartScope Duo is the same size as SmartView Duo and they mix and match in a rack perfectly. SmartScope Duo supports SD, HD and 3G-SDI video formats.

SmartScope Duo is available now for only $995.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/smartv/
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/usc/
ATEM Studio Converter

We are releasing a new model of the ATEM Studio Converter at this NAB and this new model has a more attractive machined metal design with built in power supply, features more popular analog connections on the rear panel for audio, includes new 6G-SDI technology and has a control on the front panel for operating the talkback.

It’s a much nicer design, and now the front panel lets you press to talk to the camera operators for talkback. It also uses a more robust general aviation style headset for the director. Unlike the old model, you can now use the talkback without headphones, because there is a mic input and speaker built into the front panel.

The rear connections now include analog outputs, so its easier to use an external analog audio mixer. This new ATEM Studio Converter includes 6G-SDI, even though the optical fiber models are not available yet for 6G-SDI. But this means the moment 6G optical fiber modules are released, the SD/HD modules in the converter can be changed out and it can then be used for Ultra HD.

ATEM Studio Converter will be available early May for $1,995.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/atemc/
DeckLink Mini Recorder and DeckLink Mini Monitor

At IBC last year we introduced the UltraStudio Mini Recorder and UltraStudio Mini Monitor that were tiny monitoring and recording products. The UltraStudio Mini Recorder featured capture from SDI and HDMI inputs and the UltraStudio Mini Monitor allows playback to SDI and HDMI outputs.

We are now introducing PCIe plug in card versions of these models and they are called DeckLink Mini Recorder and DeckLink Mini Monitor. They are virtually identical to the UltraStudio models!

These cards are extremely tiny so they fit into both regular PCIe slots, and also the smaller low profile PCIe slots found on rack mount servers. Even though they are very tiny, they are still a full broadcast quality spec solution! Both models work in SD and HD, plus support all Mac, Windows and Linux software that our other DeckLink models do.

DeckLink Mini Recorder is a perfect solution when you need small, portable, low cost capture. DeckLink Mini Monitor is great for monitoring with editing software such as DaVinci Resolve, Avid Media Composer, Final Cut Pro 7 and X, and Adobe Premiere Pro.

Both models will be available in late April for US$145 each.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/dlink/
Blackmagic MultiDock

This is an exciting solution that makes managing and editing media from our HyperDeck disk recorders and cameras much much simpler!

We have designed a one rack unit sized Thunderbolt disk dock that includes 4 independent 2.5 inch disk docking slots for inserting and mounting hard disks and SSD’s. It’s a simple and attractive design with built in power supply and a single Thunderbolt connection to the computer. It features an independent SATA chip per slot so you get maximum speed.

It makes docking disks very easy and you can simply mount and then edit or color correct direct from the disks. If you want a disk array, the disks can be striped together to get extra speed and storage space too! Blackmagic MultiDock supports Mac OS X and Windows that have Thunderbolt connections.

Blackmagic MultiDock will be available in early May for $595.

New Low Price for Universal Videohub

Universal Videohub has been popular since we launched it over a year ago. We have worked very hard to make these amazing card based routers more affordable and we are announcing new prices today for all the parts of a Universal Videohub.

This means Universal Videohub is now much lower cost, and you can even build a fully populated 72 x 72 card based Universal Videohub for less than the cost of a Broadcast Videohub now. That’s great and now Universal Videohub is affordable and, because it’s card based, you get 24/7 reliability too!

The new item prices are:

Universal Videohub 288 chassis is now US$9,995.
Universal Videohub 288 Crosspoint is now US$8,995.
Universal Videohub 72 chassis is now US$2,995.
Universal Videohub 72 Crosspoint is now US$2,995.
Universal Videohub SDI Interface is now US$395.
Universal Videohub 450W Power Card is now US$395.
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uvh/
I hope this update has been useful! I apologize for its length, however each new product we are launching this NAB is quite feature rich and different to other products we have done in the past, so there is alot to talk about!

If you’re heading to the NAB show this year, I hope you get the chance to see these new products in action and to have a chat with us!

Regards,

Grant Petty
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostMon Apr 08, 2013 4:49 pm

Personally, I'm gonna stick with waiting on my BMC MFT. For one, I don't have the processing power nor do i want to start thinking about the storage for 4K. It's more than enough with 2.5K and it'll just keep adding up. Also, I'd prefer that extra bit of resolution over the Pocket Camera, which only shoots HD. The one thing I would like to know is frame rates for the Pocket, it may be worth it to get it as a B cam if it can shoot 60p.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostMon Apr 08, 2013 4:55 pm

I hope Christine will pack my camera with the Davinci10 after all this wait.
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PostTue Apr 09, 2013 1:39 am

Soooooo, THAT's the reason behind all the delays. Instead of building the current cameras they where making new ones. Wow. Just goes to show ya.
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