Pocket HD Will Change the Game for Starting Indies

I had a conversation with a few aspiring filmmakers in high school about the cost of gear, even with how much it has dropped now, production can still be a bit pricey for their "full frame, 5d mk.iii dreams" but this pocket hd is something special to me personally.

Some of us who grew up before the DSLR revolution would never acknowledge the viability of digital video for production because it simply wasn't there yet. There was no way in hell we could afford 35mm film for most of our projects and were left with s16, which were really fun times!

I love FF, I love s35 and 16, and M43. I just hope this new camera that's not designed for stills first, but rather video capture first, will inspire more people to discover the wonderfully unique look of s16.

Excited! 13 stops of dynamic range? s16? compact form? under $1,000? Gogogogogogo!

Curious to see what exactly the differences are between the BMCC V1 MTF and this camera other than:
-1080 and not 2.5k
-SD cards instead of SSD
-Smaller form
-Slightly smaller sensor on the pocket HD
-No full copy of Resolve/Ultrascope

I think the sensor will simply be a windowed version of the same BMCC sensor. A guess, but that would account for the DR. This product would've been simply excellent with ProRes, but we will see about RAW.

I guess the thread title of "Change the Game" is a bit off, but I would love to see a new generation of kids see the artistic window of S16, when so many youngsters are inundated with Full Frame and S35. S16 is such a wonderful format.

Do you know who is gonna win?
The cinema's schools

High schools, Community Colleges, hell even major universities can now affordably stock quite a few quality cameras for prospective filmmakers to shoot on.

S16 needs a come back.

I guess the thread title of "Change the Game" is a bit off, but I would love to see a new generation of kids see the artistic window of S16, when so many youngsters are inundated with Full Frame and S35. S16 is such a wonderful format.

Mark my words,... RAW will become the new full frame. First you will have all the kids who think they are already Janusz Kaminski jumping on board while at the same time telling the rest of the indie crowd that they are a bunch of amateurs for obsessing over FF and shooting on H.264.

Then shooting RAW will be the "cool" thing to do and a large amount of people will sale their DSLRs to get the pocket BMC. I think BM is definitely going to change things in a big way with these releases. I think the Pocket Cam is definitely going to shake things up.

I could even see big studio features using these for action cams. Hell didn't Avengers use 5Ds in pelican cases with holes cut in the side?

I was going to get a GH3 as a daily carry but now that this has arrived, I am going to have to have one.

I think the cameras are great, but the compressed DNG is the big hit in both of them when it comes to post.

Michael

I think the cameras are great, but the compressed DNG is the big hit in both of them when it comes to post.

Michael

The Pocket Hd puts it in a smaller price bracket than my GH3. The ProRes alone provides lattitude leagues above h.264 8 bit 420 theyre used to. Compressed raw will only be better. If folks can manage around 5ds and 7ds by getting as much work in camera (the preferred method for many) then the Pocket HD can only be seen as a massive leap forward.

The Pocket HD shakes up the market more than the BMPC if theyre available in quantity. If its features work as advertised (albeit way premature) its effect can be felt all the way upto a $14,000 C300. Maybe even Scarlet. Exciting times. And thanks to Speed Booster you now have so many choices to include with C mount.

I am however, concerned about the storage. Does SD really have enough bandwidth for capturing raw?
Unless its using a lossless RAW compression.

I am however, concerned about the storage. Does SD really have enough bandwidth for capturing raw?
Unless its using a lossless RAW compression.

Keeping in mind that its 1920 RAW and not 2.5k in conjunction with even a 2:1 or even 3:1 or 5:1 compression 64 and 128gbs should work fine.

Keeping in mind that its 1920 RAW and not 2.5k in conjunction with even a 2:1 or even 3:1 or 5:1 compression 64 and 128gbs should work fine.

Hang on a second. The fastest SD card, the Sandisk extreme SDXC, will write at 90 megabytes per second in burst mode.

10 bit 4:4:4 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 190 MB per second.

10 bit 4:2:2 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per second.


Therefore the fastest SD card is not fast enough. So how will they get around this?

Keeping in mind that its 1920 RAW and not 2.5k in conjunction with even a 2:1 or even 3:1 or 5:1 compression 64 and 128gbs should work fine.

Hang on a second. The fastest SD card, the Sandisk extreme SDXC, will write at 90 megabytes per second in burst mode.

10 bit 4:4:4 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 190 MB per second.

10 bit 4:2:2 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per second.


Therefore the fastest SD card is not fast enough. So how will they get around this?

Maybe it has dual SD card slots?

Keeping in mind that its 1920 RAW and not 2.5k in conjunction with even a 2:1 or even 3:1 or 5:1 compression 64 and 128gbs should work fine.

Hang on a second. The fastest SD card, the Sandisk extreme SDXC, will write at 90 megabytes per second in burst mode.

10 bit 4:4:4 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 190 MB per second.

10 bit 4:2:2 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per second.


Therefore the fastest SD card is not fast enough. So how will they get around this?

Maybe it has dual SD card slots?

That's ugly, but it could work.

Maybe it has dual SD card slots?

That's ugly, but it could work.

Combination of a few things, multi SD card slots, a massive buffer (giving it a restricted single shot length, but DSLR shooters should recognise that) a new class of SD card?

If i was wanting to offload onto SD cards a healthy chunk of Flash memory as a buffer would seem a moderately logical choice.

Any word on if this will monitor out of the hdmi clean? Seems like a great deal to use with the ATEMs

Not sure, I doubt it, it's mini hdmi right? Gotta double check. This camera would've been mind blowing with us ProRes. Did not expect a RAW feature at all.

Any word on if this will monitor out of the hdmi clean? Seems like a great deal to use with the ATEMs

JBs blog suggests it is clean.

Any word on if this will monitor out of the hdmi clean? Seems like a great deal to use with the ATEMs

JBs blog suggests it is clean.

Thanks, that was my comment on JBs he responded too :-p