Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

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volker.striemer

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 09, 2013 9:01 am

I Feel like BMC has Kidding me. I 'm Waiting since April 2012 for my Camera, and now this Company launched a 4k Cam. :shock:
Should I today Order the New 4k to get it next Year, When BMC the 8k will Launch. ? ?., :mrgreen:
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Order Date: 18th April 2012
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daniel ltr7

Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 09, 2013 10:00 am

As far as I understand with the new 4K BMPC DaVinci sis not included, only DaVinci Lite that can be downloaded anyway.

Quote from tecnical data:
Software Included

DaVinci Resolve Lite grading software DVD for Mac OS X and Windows. Blackmagic Media Express software. DiskSpeed Test.


This makes the BMCC still my choice and I think I will wait until my MFT version arrives (ordered in May 2012, switched MFT in September 2012)

although...
Is it DaVinci Resolve9.0 that is included with BMCC (anyone who has already recieved the camera can confirm this?) or is it the actual DaVinci Resolve10.0 ?

If it is DaVinci 9.0 then BM Pocketcamera + software of DaVinci 10.00 might be more interesting than the BMCC and also cheaper. Or the BMPC 4K would then cost abouth 2ooo€ more than BMCC, but global Shutter (I dont really care for 4K).

Anyway, anybody knows if BMCC come s with DaVinci 9.00 or 10.00 ?

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 09, 2013 10:12 am

daniel ltr7 wrote:As far as I understand with the new 4K BMPC DaVinci sis not included, only DaVinci Lite that can be downloaded anyway.

Quote from tecnical data:
Software Included

DaVinci Resolve Lite grading software DVD for Mac OS X and Windows. Blackmagic Media Express software. DiskSpeed Test.


This makes the BMCC still my choice and I think I will wait until my MFT version arrives (ordered in May 2012, switched MFT in September 2012)

although...
Is it DaVinci Resolve9.0 that is included with BMCC (anyone who has already recieved the camera can confirm this?) or is it the actual DaVinci Resolve10.0 ?

If it is DaVinci 9.0 then BM Pocketcamera + software of DaVinci 10.00 might be more interesting than the BMCC and also cheaper. Or the BMPC 4K would then cost abouth 2ooo€ more than BMCC, but global Shutter (I dont really care for 4K).

Anyway, anybody knows if BMCC come s with DaVinci 9.00 or 10.00 ?

daniel



The included resolve confusion comes from the similar acronims of the two new cameras:

With the two new cameras the 4K comes with the full version of DaVinci (number irreverent) and the new 1080p pocket camera comes with Davinci Lite (the free version). There are clear reasons for this, shipping a 4k camera with the 1080p limited version makes no sense (especially with the cheaper 2.5k camera having the higher res version). Similarly shipping a $995 1080p camera with an included copy of the software that costs $995 is foolish especially on a camera that only shoots 1080p.

The reason the version is irrelevant is that the dongle that enables the full version appears to be version agnostic. If you have the USB license dongle then you can run the full version of the latest software. This was the case in the 8 to 9 transition and remains the case in the 9 to 10.

Edit: Resolve 10 is not due to be available till Q3 this year so anything shipped up till now and up till June will have 9 on the discs (10 will be available as a free download both lite and full, full needing a dongle to work).

daniel ltr7

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PostTue Apr 09, 2013 10:26 am

Ok, this explains the Version confusion I had.

Still the quote i pasted is from the Tech Specs of the BMPC 4K
So if they did not make a mistake in writing it, it means, you will have to buy DaVinci Resolve in order to use the full 4K potential of the camera (or any other grading software capable of it)

QUOTE From BMPC 4K Tech Specs
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/product ... /techspecs

“Software Included

DaVinci Resolve Lite grading software DVD for Mac OS X and Windows. Blackmagic Media Express software. DiskSpeed Test.“

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 09, 2013 10:53 am

daniel ltr7 wrote:Ok, this explains the Version confusion I had.

Still the quote i pasted is from the Tech Specs of the BMPC 4K
So if they did not make a mistake in writing it, it means, you will have to buy DaVinci Resolve in order to use the full 4K potential of the camera (or any other grading software capable of it)

QUOTE From BMPC 4K Tech Specs
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/product ... /techspecs

“Software Included

DaVinci Resolve Lite grading software DVD for Mac OS X and Windows. Blackmagic Media Express software. DiskSpeed Test.“

Daniel


Ignore that. Christine posted earlier that the 4k gets the full software and pocket cam gets the lite version.

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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostTue Apr 09, 2013 12:01 pm

Don´t kid yourselves, the one stop less in dynamic range for the 4K version can easily be implemented back in. And it will be, just a matter of when, not if.
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PostTue Apr 09, 2013 12:05 pm

Ruben Fernandez wrote:Don´t kid yourselves, the one stop less in dynamic range for the 4K version can easily be implemented back in. And it will be, just a matter of when, not if.


How?

It's a function of the new sensor in the 4k model.
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Re: Camera Shipping Update: 2/8

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 10:33 pm

I was pretty lucky to get the camera so early. I ordered in January 2013 (just a few months ago) and received mine on April 7 from Markertek. I guess the B&H queue is so long, glad I didn't order it from them. If you have an order in with them, might want to look elsewhere (Asia).

Here's my cursory review. This is not intended as a professional review, more of a first impression, mildly uninformed without a full test. I haven't edited the limited test footage yet, so we'll see.

So far... not feeling the love. First, the crop factor of 2.4. I need an 8mm to do 17mm and my Canon 16-35mm is 35-80mm. Of course, I knew that going in. I put my Rokinon 8mm on it and was sort of happy because it was barely usable on my 5D. And well, the new Rokinon cine lenses are pretty nice when the absolute best quality is not needed (in other words, about everything I shoot). The 8mm cine is probably not their strongest (but the 85mm is great).

The focus assist is a strange edge detection display that's not easy to use even with the bigger screen. Maybe I'll find a way to get used to it, short of ALWAYS using a monitor. It doesn't help that my eyesight is like a +2.50 now.

Because BMD suggests 'overexposing' to zebra stripes and the image is flat in appearance, it's hard to see the image at all when shooting outdoors. I imagine I can adjust the video display setting to be darker, but then I'm not getting a true exposure view. I just can't get a focus on it.

The Iris button is supposed to work the aperture on my EF lenses... worked the other day, but today, it didn't work at all on any of my EF lenses. Now that's messed up... I read the BMCC forum briefly and am not the only one with the same issue. Prime manual cine type lenses will be a necessity.

Battery is non-removable, lasts about 45 min max particularly with the EF lenses sucking life out of it.

ISO settings are limited, but with the dynamic range, even in ProRes, not a big deal. Except, with the smaller sensor, low-light performance could be an issue. And that's one of the things I like most about the 5D, looks magic in low light, even 6400 looks quite good if the subject is good enough to distract you from the quality.

And I just noticed this earlier Philip Bloom review that addressed the apparent lack of improvement in sharpness and range on the MkIII (). He demonstrates adding a sharpness filter in Premiere and it really comes alive, in contrast to the MkII (same filter makes it muddy). I didn't think the MkIII images looked any better when I rented it. That's been one of my issues with video out of the Canon all along... not that sharp and sort of muddy even with a good setup.

At the end of the day, for me the flexibility and functionality of a video and still camera in the MkIII is pretty compelling. The compression scheme is vastly improved and the video functionality is much better. I like the ability to take stills and video with the same camera, at least for me personally. Professionally, the BMCC is just a completely different camera, completely different setup, and rig altogether. Certainly not a replacement for the 5D mkIII.

I knew I had to order the BMCC to demo it and could sell it if it's not a good fit. I think I can still make really good use of it once I work out the lens and functionality issues. The bundle with DaVinci at $3,000 is so cheap I won't likely give it up. I'll keep testing it.
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