Introducing Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

Hi everyone .
I am starting to watch everything about blackmagic . 4k seems to very interesting ,and pocket as well .
I hope blackmagic will make 4k in E-mount as well . E-mount is relay the most adaptable . And metabones with speedbuster make this mount even more interesting .

... I hope blackmagic will make 4k in E-mount as well . E-mount is relay the most adaptable . And metabones with speedbuster make this mount even more interesting .

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Hi Blackmagic Design: Yet another vote for "E" mount! Noticing a trend here? Cheers.

... I hope blackmagic will make 4k in E-mount as well . E-mount is relay the most adaptable . And metabones with speedbuster make this mount even more interesting .

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Hi Blackmagic Design: Yet another vote for "E" mount! Noticing a trend here? Cheers.

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e-mount pls

Curious about the possibility of an e-mount, even if it would drive the cost of ownership up a slight bit more, and maybe reduce the opportunities to push the camera into the EF centric markets.

Speed Booster is doing some WEIRD things on the camera, but can't say that I would not be interested in picking one up if B4K had an E-Mount, and I would definitely swiftly PL mount, along with Metabones E to EF adapter.

So.. yeah I guess if there's a chance for an E-Mount!

it will be nice if the pocket cinema camera is also S35 in e-mount, shoot HD is ok, no need 4K
so we don't need to keep two sets of lens

E-Mount would blow my mind. Even if its passive, blow my mind.

E-Mount would blow my mind. Even if its passive, blow my mind.

I agree, and a bunch of other potential buyers also would like this. E-mount, thanks.

E-mount would be nice but I'm not sure that Sony have opened the E mount standard beyond lens and adaptor manufacturers.

First condition in there application for the spec:
"You may use the Basic Specifications for lenses and/or mount adopters only, NOT for manufacturing, selling or otherwise disposing of other products."
http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www ... etail.html

E-mount would be nice but I'm not sure that Sony have opened the E mount standard beyond lens and adaptor manufacturers.

Adam, yes, that is likely to be a problem with Sony, especially being a new mount on the market, whereas the EF being over 20 years old, patent (if applicable) likely expired since it was introduced in 1987. The relatively new EF-M mount would also be ideal at 18mm flange focal distance, however, who knows if Canon are as open to use of their new EF-M mount, as Olympus are with MFT mount? EF-M with third party adapter already on the market will function EF electronically, and opens options to adapt near the sensor for the rest of us sidelined. It is more cost effective for me to buy into Red One MX or Scarlet than to convert all my cine lenses to something like PL mount, assuming that is the next 4K camera mount that BM may make. PL mount at 52mm flange focal distance is heading further in the wrong direction than EF-mount at 44mm, for those wanting to adapt from closer to the sensor for their legacy manual lenses. MFT at 19.25mm flange focal distance is ideal, so the 2.5K camera is a better solution for me, however, I have never really liked rolling shutter cameras as much as my previous CCD cameras, so I have ordered a BM Pocket Cam due to it being so cost effective, pending further developments. Maybe next year a 2.5K BMCC with global shutter will be released, although I would prefer the 4K model to marry with my S35 lenses, and hopefully with a mount I can adapt from. Hack saw?

Thanks for bringing the Sony policy to my/our attention.

Hmmmmm ... no 50p / 60p?

A very interesting option would be an interchangeable flange.

Una opcion muy muy interesante, sería una brida intercambiable.

A very interesting option would be an interchangeable flange.

Una opcion muy muy interesante, sería una brida intercambiable.

Yes, but it's been pointed out many times: A camera with an interchangeable flange system is relatively difficult (e.g.: very expensive) to manufacture with the high degree of precision required.

The BMPC-4K camera's EF mount makes a lot of sense if one wants own a "4K for $4K" camera in the near future. Later BMD may also offer a PL mount version, too, but no guarantees.

Blackmagic team......PLEASE E-mount !!!!!!!

where i am going to fit my precious russian LOMO lens?

A very interesting option would be an interchangeable flange.

Una opcion muy muy interesante, sería una brida intercambiable.

Yes, but it's been pointed out many times: A camera with an interchangeable flange system is relatively difficult (e.g.: very expensive) to manufacture with the high degree of precision required.

The BMPC-4K camera's EF mount makes a lot of sense if one wants own a "4K for $4K" camera in the near future. Later BMD may also offer a PL mount version, too, but no guarantees.

One option is that Blackmagic Design manufactures its own flange and optional adapters. How to place the flange distance wherever.

Una opcion, es que blackmagic fabrique su propio diseño de brida, y adaptadores opcionales. Así puede poner la distancia de brida donde quiera.

Someone explain to me why it's impossible to reach 50fps (50P to a 24/25P timebase)? If lowering resolution to 2K, wouldn't that be possible? The only thing I miss on this camera (specs) is some kind of slomo setting.

Wouldn't it even be possible to do a burst mode? Like 4K 50fps for 5 Seconds to get 10 seconds of slow motion material? Would love higher then that but I doubt it's possible.

+1 for e mount. Would gladly pay the same money for a passive e mount over an active EF mount. EF does not make sense on a mirrorless camera.

Blackmagic team......PLEASE E-mount !!!!!!!

where i am going to fit my precious russian LOMO lens?

hijodeibn, similarly, my Lomo spherical and anamorphic sets in OCT-19 mount can not be adapter (well, perhaps one or two of the longer lenses) from EF mount, nor PL mount, if PL mount was to be the next 4K BMPC. To convert my Lomo lenses to PL mount is more expensive then the difference to purchase a Red One MX or Scarlet with one of the many mount adapter products available to purchase.

As John Brawley has correctly pointed out to me, making a universal mount would add considerable cost to this camera, then you must buy an adapter. That said, an E-mount, an FZ-mount, an EF-M mount would be ideal to adapt from, and with the E and FZ mounts, there are already an extensive range of adapters available to purchase now.

Someone explain to me why it's impossible to reach 50fps (50P to a 24/25P timebase)? If lowering resolution to 2K, wouldn't that be possible? The only thing I miss on this camera (specs) is some kind of slomo setting.

Wouldn't it even be possible to do a burst mode? Like 4K 50fps for 5 Seconds to get 10 seconds of slow motion material? Would love higher then that but I doubt it's possible.

+1 for -at least- the burst mode

... That said, an E-mount, an FZ-mount, an EF-M mount would be ideal to adapt from, and with the E and FZ mounts, there are already an extensive range of adapters available to purchase now.

Hi Christopher: Someone raised the subject earlier that there's a possibility that, unfortunately, Sony may not allow other companies to build an E mount into their camera bodies. They allow E adapters, but possibly not a body with an E mount.

That may be why Canon only offers their new cams with EF or PL mounts, not E. And why BMD may do the same with the BMPC-4K, eventually.

This is conjecture based on limited info, but it makes sense (at least from Sony's point of view).

Hi Christopher: Someone raised the subject earlier that there's a possibility that, unfortunately, Sony may not allow other companies to build an E mount into their camera bodies. They allow E adapters, but possibly not a body with an E mount.

Yes, this discussion also took place on another forum. If Sony are not open, then the question is would Canon allow for EF-M mount, being a nice 18mm flange focal distance? This is all moot, as BMD may have another mount preference to consider, likely PL mount if a 4K 'cinema' / production camera. You can't adapt much from PL mount, having a flange focal distance of 52mm, though it is industry standard for film making. PL mount does not solve issues for potential buyers/users/renters who can not adapt from EF to use their lenses and will remain out of the loop with the 4K camera. I will wait and see if any future developments/announcements solve this issue for a number us out there, and I will try out the Pocket Camera for now. Thanks for your reply, Peter.

If an E-mount would not be possible because Sony won't allow it, what about an Leica M mount?
This mount is already very old I'm guessing there will be no patents anymore for this one, are there any downsides for this mount? is it strong enough or adaptable enough?

If Sony will not allow e mount then use ef-m or as was said the leica m mount, jeez just give us something with a short enough flange distance to be adaptable.

I think the answer is already available to us and most easy to add to 4K BMPC. I am refering to MFT, same as BMCC. Sure, the MFT is no use with MFT lenses with S35 sensor, however, it is the best short flange distance mount to use and there are all the adapters already on the market that we want.

I took the BMD marketing photos of the BMCC MFT and the 4K BMPC and overlayed the image of the sensor for each of the two models, and even though MFT mount diameter appears smaller than EF, if the BMD images of the 4K EF is to scale, the MFT mount will still be wide enough in diameter to allow the S35 sensor to fully be displayed to the back of the lens. Using MFT mount adapters already available, we can use our S35 lenses or the like.

If my calculatios are correct, these images may help explain my theory. Yellow represent BMCC sensor size and Red represents the proposed 4K BMPC sensor size:

BMCC MFT (yellow - sensor size)

BMCC MFT

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4K BMPC EF (red - sensor size)

4K BMPC EF

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If you look at an MFT mount and the MFT lens connecting mount, you will note that on the camera mount, there is a circular section approximately 5mm that could be partly cut into to extend the area if the S35 sensor is larger than the sample images provided by BMD marketing photos. The blue area is an example of an extended area of the mount that may be cut into and perhaps may not affect the lens being supported by the mount:

MFT with modified mount for larger sensor, if needed

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I just think the answer to our request for a short flange distance mount may possibly be found in the MFT mount, and use of adapters from there for S35 lenses, etc. Further, the MFT design has already been solved, it may just require some minor modification to enlarge the area for the sensor size, perhaps not. I don't mind a passive mount, I am using old cinema lenses and other legacy manual lenses.

Am I way off track here?

Am I way off track here?

A very bold move to release a camera with a mount designed for lenses that can't cover it's sensor.

If you want to release a camera designed to take multiple lens mounts then design an interchangeable lens mount system. This may well be more expensive than a fixed system though.

While the MFT based system may well get round this it does come with issues that may well make it not be worth the pain they create.

I just think the answer to our request for a short flange distance mount may possibly be found in the MFT mount, and use of adapters from there for S35 lenses, etc...

Am I way off track here?

Christopher, you are either brilliant or an idiot. You may have a brilliant idea but it is going to make for very unusual marketing of a camera that won't work at all without a separate and possibly expensive adapter.

I am not unhappy to see the next mount be a PL mount and the reason it should be a native mount on that camera model is that it will ensure the most accurate precise mounting of the the lens. That camera, the BMPC4K PL, won't be expected to support other lenses and won't have any other pretensions than to be used foremost as a cinema camera. It would still retain the production broadcast aspirations of the current BMPC4K EF model since that work has been done and would permit production broadcast creatives to use PL if they wish.

Rick Lang
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Hi,
I have a question. Why is it that all the connections are on the left side of the camera, that is, right on the face of the camera operator when he has the camera on his shoulder? Shouldn't the media slot be on the left and all the cables out of the way, that is on the right? I'm 100% sure somebody has point this out before, since we, all the professional cameramen, hate to have cables and connections interfering with our view of the scene. Also, in case I need to connect a view finder, the way a professional cameraman would do, I wouldn't be able to operate, since all the connections would be hitting me in the face. I'm sure you guys have a reason for this and if possible, I would like to know it. Another question I have is if there is any other way to access the menus other than the touch screen. The reason being that once I configure the camera for hand held, with external battery on the back and counterweight, it becomes impossible to access the touchscreen easily. I'm sure you guys have an answer for this. I'm also sure that it wasn't your intention to replicate the ridiculous design of a DSLR camera, precisely because these cameras were meant for stills, and only secondarily for video. Sorry if I sound very frustrated. I am, since I was expecting BM would solve these problems, which are what kept me away from buying the previous model. Thank you kindly.

A very bold move to release a camera with a mount designed for lenses that can't cover it's sensor.

Christopher, you are either brilliant or an idiot. You may have a brilliant idea but it is going to make for very unusual marketing of a camera that won't work at all without a separate and possibly expensive adapter.

Peter, BMD will not be the first to release a 4K camera in MFT if they follow the logical next step of simply putting the 4K BMPC in the BMCC MFT body.

Rick, when you think about and reflect upon MFT camera users today, so many are using lens mount adapters with S35 lenses. That is part of the reason why cameras like the GH2 in MFT mount have been so popular, not only the modified firmware, but the ability to adapt the MFT mount to just about any lens that exists. MFT mount with a flange focal distance of 19.25mm is second only to Sony E-mount at 18mm which is probably the only other potentially popularised mount as a result of ther NEX camera series.

Now, who is the company that has already made a paradigm shift and released a 4K camera in MFT mount?

Astro with their 4K camera system in MFT.
http://www.astrodesign.co.jp/english/pr ... 14_am-4412

Think about it, many people are using MFT cameras with S35 lenses via a mount adapter. When the BMPCC (Pocket Camera) is released, it will be used mostly with MFT lenses on an Super 16 sensor, and also people with S35 lenses will be mounting to the BMPCC. The whole MFT mount on a 4K camera makes perfect sense to me, it is just a matter of correcting the mindset, as nothing has really changed from what we have been doing since MFT cameras were introduced, that being, using lenses (via a mount adapter) from cameras with a S35 film/sensor size.

BMD, please consider releasing a 4K BMPC in MFT. Your work is mostly already done as a result of the BMCC MFT, the camera housing is the same, for the most part, for both the 4K BMPC and BMCC cameras. A version in MFT mount will open up an even wider range of potential buyers or renters of the 4K BMPC camera when it is released.

Hi,
I have a question. Why is it that all the connections are on the left side of the camera, that is, right on the face of the camera operator when he has the camera on his shoulder? Shouldn't the media slot be on the left and all the cables out of the way, that is on the right? I'm 100% sure somebody has point this out before, since we, all the professional cameramen, hate to have cables and connections interfering with our view of the scene. Also, in case I need to connect a view finder, the way a professional cameraman would do, I wouldn't be able to operate, since all the connections would be hitting me in the face. I'm sure you guys have a reason for this and if possible, I would like to know it. Another question I have is if there is any other way to access the menus other than the touch screen. The reason being that once I configure the camera for hand held, with external battery on the back and counterweight, it becomes impossible to access the touchscreen easily. I'm sure you guys have an answer for this. I'm also sure that it wasn't your intention to replicate the ridiculous design of a DSLR camera, precisely because these cameras were meant for stills, and only secondarily for video. Sorry if I sound very frustrated. I am, since I was expecting BM would solve these problems, which are what kept me away from buying the previous model. Thank you kindly.

Definitive answers to "why?" questions are often slow in coming.

Typically a better use of our time, as end-users, is to figure out how we can make best use of products as they are, because that's something we have control over.

In the case of the ergonomics of the original BMCC and the new BMPC-4K cameras, they share the identical case design, which as you say, has the I/O connections on the operator's left side, and with SSD door on the right.

I suspect the reason for this is that the first BMCC was partly designed as a alternative to popular DSLR cameras, which typically are grasped by the right hand (on the right side of the camera body), and with the left hand under the body & operating the lens. If the I/O connections were on the right, you couldn't hold the camera the same way.

And, like with DSLRs, the LCD is on the rear of the camera. Since the BMCC's LCD is a touchscreen, you need ready access to it to control the camera.

For handheld & tripod use the BMCC's design is completely workable in most situations. Not perfect, but it works.

If you decide to operate a BMCC on your shoulder by attaching the camera to a shoulder rig, you'll need to accommodate the camera's design. For example, you might use cables with right-angle plugs at the camera end. You might also use a wired remote LANC controller to start/stop recording & perform other functions. Complete control of the camera is only possible by at least occasionally accessing the LCD on the rear of the camera. You may attach an external on-camera monitor or EVF.

My guess as to why the new BMPC-4K camera's body is the same as the BMCC is to help keep the new camera's cost down and to help speed it to market. No new engineering was required, probably saving BMD months of time. Importantly, all 3rd party rigs & other accessories designed to work with the original camera also work with the new one.

Future BMD cameras may have completely different designs, possibly including aspects of "traditional" pro video & cinema camera designs. It's unknowable if or when that might happen.

I find the ergonomics of the BMCC to be acceptable -- especially given the extraordinary quality of the video it can produce for such a low price. The new BMPC-4K looks very promising, too, which is why I've pre-ordered one.

Cheers.

P.S.: And, because no camera design is perfect, there's a l-o-n-g BMCC feature request thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=265

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Now, who is the company that has already made a paradigm shift and released a 4K camera in MFT mount?

Astro with their 4K camera system in MFT.
http://www.astrodesign.co.jp/english/pr ... 14_am-4412

Interesting find! They even support iris and focus control when using a MFT lens.

Rick Lang
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I'm sure someone has asked this question already if not I'll go ahead and ask the question. With July only a few months away if this camera is even going to be close to being on time, when will the beta testers get their hands on this camera and when will we start seeing some footage. I wonder how much of a drop off from the BMCC will the BMPC see be if any. I'd like to think the drop off if any will be so slight it will render the topic moot point. And yes I know none of us know when this will happen but I just figured I'd ask anyway.

Will there be a sensor crop option for the 1080p or a possible 2K readout of the sensor?
Like RED one
This would allow to use the camera also with super16 lenses in 2k.
Also this way mor depth of field could be chosen for progects where a 35mm like depth of field is not suited.
Is 1080p achieved by downscaling the 4k sensor, or be sensorcrop?

daniel

The 4k is done with downscaling, which is great for wide angle lenses but as you say there's advantages to going crop too. I don't see why they can't include crop as an option software wise, but we can only wait and see.

Christopher, I think you're missing Ricks point that even though you can put S35 lenses on an MFT mount for smaller sensor cameras, putting it on the BM4K would not make sense as you would not utilize the full sensor. That's all there is to it. I do love the astrodesign Master Control and Processing Unit on the camera you posted about, seems ultra portable.
The best mount would of course be the P+S Technic IMS, which gives you many options for different lenses.
http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-ims.php
Now that would be something special, I believe this is what the Ikonoskop uses.
Of course it would kick the price up a few bones, but hell, it sure would end this repetitive discussion.

just changed from BMCC MFT preorder to BMPC 4k and bought Davinci Resolve

means eos mount again...
Means my original project to cut off the eos-mount and replace it with an IMS mount will have to be reconsidered.
I hope i is possible to be done... otherwise just replace the eos with PL, shouldn't be that difficult...

just changed from BMCC MFT preorder to BMPC 4k and bought Davinci Resolve

means eos mount again...
Means my original project to cut off the eos-mount and replace it with an IMS mount will have to be reconsidered.
I hope i is possible to be done... otherwise just replace the eos with PL, shouldn't be that difficult...

It comes with resolve! Why would you buy it two times?

just changed from BMCC MFT preorder to BMPC 4k and bought Davinci Resolve

means eos mount again...
Means my original project to cut off the eos-mount and replace it with an IMS mount will have to be reconsidered.
I hope i is possible to be done... otherwise just replace the eos with PL, shouldn't be that difficult...

Would love to see your EOS - PL replacement project.

Christopher, I think you're missing Ricks point that even though you can put S35 lenses on an MFT mount for smaller sensor cameras, putting it on the BM4K would not make sense as you would not utilize the full sensor. .....
The best mount would of course be the P+S Technic IMS, which gives you many options for different lenses.
http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-ims.php

Hi Joseph, thank you for your comment and discussion. A simple modification of the MFT mount would, in my opinion, likely make room for a passive MFT mount to utilise the active area of what appears may be a CCD sensor in the 4K BMPC. Until the sensor is specifically announced and specs released, I reserve making further comment with regard to the viability of an MFT mount on a 4K BMPC.

A P+S IMS or other lens mount system is welcome. I have not been able to obtain cost details of the IMS. Given the 4K for $4K market, the IMS may prove out of balance cost wise. P+S products are top quality, at a price.

If an MFT mount option was not to be considered, and Sony E and FZ-mounts are not possible options for consideration due to Sony policy, then perhaps the next cost effective option for consideration may be a Canon EF-M mount, having a flange focus distance of 18mm, being an ideal mount to adapt out from for just about any lens, particularly legacy manual lenses. The only down side with the EF-M mount is that there is not as many lens mount adapters on the market, whereas the MFT mount has just about every mount adapter required already made and on the market, ranging from $15 on eBay to around $300 for high end precision adapters that I use for old cinema lenses and legacy manual lenses from the world of photography. A passive MFT mount with or without some minor modification may cover the effective sensor area of a 4K BMPC. I suggest this further consideration of a MFT mount, because from a manufacturing point of view, the BMCC in MFT is the same shell.

Typically a better use of our time, as end-users, is to figure out how we can make best use of products as they are, because that's something we have control over...

The new BMPC-4K looks very promising, too, which is why I've pre-ordered one.

After my little rant about the revered Panasonic and Olympus lenses for the BMPCC (being a poor choice since the distortion is large and will not be corrected in camera), I thought I should look at the ciné lens alternatives for the BMPC4K. I have seen many pictures of the new Schneider Cine-Xenar III series of lenses but it took a while to find the details. They look like a superb series of lenses. Okay, took even longer to find the price. The list price for the lenses beginning with the 25mm lens are only $7,750 each with the newest lens, the 18mm, well over $9,000. I see why these are a great lens to rent!

Also looked at most of the cinema lenses from Canon. Something I noticed at the bottom of the web pages describing the Canon cinema lenses is that they are not for sale or lease as they have not yet received FCC approval. Interesting given how long ago some of them were introduced. And no review even mentioned they were not yet obtainable in the US.

Rick Lang
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Sticker shock would be putting it mildly Rick!

Im hopeful to get the Rokinon Cine lens set and probably one canon zoom lens for my 4k. I dont have much dslr gear since most of my gear use is always work related so this endeavor being funded by me has to maintain some sort of sanity! In retrospect I should have bought a canon dslr, but just liked how the nikon 7000 specs lured me in for my first high dollar dslr.

A passive MFT mount with or without some minor modification may I suggest this further consideration of a MFT mount, because from a manufacturing point of view, the BMCC in MFT is the same shell.[/quote]

Christopher, Since you seem dedicated to this idea, and since I just love beating deceased glue factories, I have just one question. In this grand scheme, could you use MFT lenses on the camera you are suggesting?

Christopher, Since you seem dedicated to this idea, and since I just love beating deceased glue factories, I have just one question. In this grand scheme, could you use MFT lenses on the camera you are suggesting?

"since I love beating deceased glue factories", haha, ok.

To answer your question, you could use MFT lenses on the BMPC, as much as you could use them on the BMCC. Interpreting that answer has multiple limbs.

In the case of the BMCC and it's passive MFT mount, a lot of MFT lenses are not usable if electronic control is required for aperture and/or focus, yet the BMCC product was still made and should soon be released. Any MFT lenses with full manual control would be useable on the BMCC, and useable in a limited way on a 4K BMPC. For the BMPC, think of it as using S16 lenses on Red camera in 2K mode, but with the BMPC, you would have to record in 4K mode and extract the useable portion of the footage recorded in post production. BMPC in 1080p record mode with MFT lenses would result in having to extract something that may be like 720p, for example, so this is less useful for broadcast work requiring 1080p. MFT lenses on a BMPC, may be the same kind of result as using S16 lenses on a Red camera in 2K mode, although you would need to do this in post, unless BM later provide a mode where it records in crop sensor mode, as some people have requested.

Most BMCC MFT users are likely buying (ordered) it to use manual lenses that will not adapt from EF mount, and may very well be S35 lenses, so the opposite is happening on a BMCC, your FOV will change, something like 2.3x? The concept of passive MFT mount (diameter of opening modified if necessary) on a BMPC is just a conduit to the lenses a lot of people want to use. If it were FZ-mount, designed for S35 sensor Sony cameras, I would be all over it, it is a solid mount, ideal short flange focal distance of 18mm, professional adapters on the market today. FZ-mount, E-mount, unlikely to be even possible based on Sony policy statement, so that idea is probably not even worth mentioning any further. Alternative, EF-M mount, another 18mm flange design, should be enough diameter for an S35 sensor(?), although not popularised with many adapters on the market. An EF-M mount, if it could be done, great, mount adapters would follow. My dedication to MFT mount, as you put it, is only a suggestion because if we could get the active sensor area of the proposed, yet undisclosed, BMPC S35 (CCD?) sensor within the MFT mount, it would seem just so simple to make a BMPC MFT, all the work has basically been done by BMD. I am not looking to argue with your or anyone, I am looking for the same solution a lot of people are talking about here and on other forums, forums that are not dedicated to BMD cameras. This camera has captured the attention of many different potential buyers and users, a lot who will not be able to participate because of the EF mount, and similarly, a PL mount while welcome will also not open any doors to other interested purchasers of the BMPC who need a short flange focus distance mount to use a bunch of different lenses that are currently locked out. My lenses have seen me through five previous cameras over the last decade, legacy Russian cinema lenses and old Japanese photography lenses, they are unique, as are all lenses old and new. People tend to keep the glass and upgrade the camera. I am just looking to tap into the BMPC, as are many others out there, hence a short flange focus distance lens mount like MFT.

As a BMPC 4K camera with a modified MFT mount isn't intended for use with MFT lenses, maybe ship the camera with a pre-installed (removable) EF/PL adapter, to avoid confusion..?

I Just need DaVinci now

I ordered BMCC last year in may mainly also because of davinci (need full version for 4K RED one and GPU support). there is no sign of the MFT to be delivered soon and I can not wait longer for davinci, so I had to buy the software alone...

And at that point i could also change order to 4K version, as I have a RED and a Ikonoskop and can do easyly without the camera until July (or maybe more september.... hopefully...)
The project I needed the BMCC for in the meantime has been shot on a sony F3...

Christopher Barry <------- Genius
I pray every nigth for a 4K with MFT mount......I hope Blackmagic team is reading this forum and taking some notes.....certainly a PL mount is much better than an EF, but is still far for a real solution for our old preciouss lenses...

Although the idea of designing a BMPC-4K with some sort of non-standard modified MFT lens mount might theoretically "work", it also raises several issues.

A design change would almost certainly seriously delay initial release of the camera. BMD says they "expect" the BMPC-4K to begin shipping by the end of July 2013. My guess is that any decision now to change the physical design of the camera -- especially a change involving the camera's optical path (such as the inner baffle behind the lens mount, etc.) -- could delay initial release of the camera by several months, such as sometime in early 2014 at the earliest. And, the end-of-July date is likely the best case scenario, and assumes no "complications" arise causing delays. Personally I hope i receive my BMPC-4K by the end of July, but I won't be surprised if I don't receive it until sometime after.

As others have mentioned, using a MFT mount on the BMPC-4K would create confusion. Standard MFT lenses will not cover a S35 size sensor, and BMD would need to spend time/energy/money explaining why they put a MFT mount on a camera that can't use MFT lenses, and also why customers need to purchase/pay for 3rd party lens mount adapters such as F-to-MFT, or PL-to-MFT, etc. Obviously, this is possible, but it makes for an awkward marketing message.

Meanwhile, the extremely popular Canon C300 camera is sold with either an EF or PL mount. The C300 sells for $14K US, more than 3 times the price of the BMPC-4K. Although I'm sure there are those who would like Canon to redesign the C300 so it instead has some sort of interchangeable "universal" lens mount, the fact remains that the C300 is very popular as-is.

Many of us who want to buy a camera with the BMPC-4K's capabilities for the announced price of $4K US don't want to wait for it much past July 2013, or pay more than $4K for it. Most BMPC-4K customers will be quite happy with the camera as announced. BMD says they "might" release a PL version of the BMPC-4K at a later date. So, no guarantees, but it could happen, but it's not an announced product yet (and might never be).

At this point, on reflection, I vote "no" to a lens mount change for the BMPC-4K, at least not at this time. I hope BMD announces a separate PL or E mount version sometime soon, but that's wishful thinking.

Cheers.

The best option for BMPC4K is EF. PL cinema lenses, with the option to change EF mount. What is the problem?
He who pays 4k crying, not pay 20k in lenses. I can assure you.
Then they say that you can rent. Then you may become not fools and also rent the camera.

La mejor opcion para BMPC4K es EF. Hay lentes de cine PL con opcion a cambio de montura EF. ¿Cual es el problema?
El que paga 4k llorando, no pagará 20k en lentes. eso lo puedo asegurar.
Luego dicen que se pueden alquilar. Pues entonces no seais tontos y alquilar tambien la camara.

I don't think anyone want to change the EF camera. This is more an idea for the PL camera that "might" be released, where you could use a modified MFT mount and have a removable PL mount attached to it.

I don't think anyone want to change the EF camera. This is more an idea for the PL camera that "might" be released, where you could use a modified MFT mount and have a removable PL mount attached to it.

I suppose that would be of benefit to users of PL glass who also want to use non-PL, full-frame lenses via adapters.

But since it wouldn't work with MFT lenses, my instinct is that this would be far too confusing from a marketing standpoint. Dozens (hundreds) of videos & articles online already include confused/misleading statements about BMD's existing products ... despite BMD's published specs. The idea of a modified MFT mount on the BMPC-4K would further muddy the water.

The choice of "EF or PL" seems to work for thousands of C300 users. I'm sure a few folks would prefer an E mount or whatever. But that's a different "3rd" version. I doubt Canon will ever do it.

My guess is BMD will announce a PL mod version of the BMPC-4K within 3-6 months. Who knows, maybe a modified MFT mount will be announced instead. Personally I'd love to see an E mount, but I doubt it or a modified MFT mount will ever happen, for a variety of sound business reasons. I could wrong. Cheers.

Totally agree, noone wants to change the EF mount in BMPC-4K, I think everybody is happy about this new camera, the idea is to propose a mount for v2, which could or not be release next (crossing my fingers), and a MFT mount is a suggestion that is making me smile!!!!, certainly Peter pointed out many issues that are preventing the real use of it, but dream about it make me smile!!!!