Introducing Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

It's visually lossless, a very slight compression. Should be keyable.

Dear Christine! Would you be so kind to let us know if there list of Recommended SSDs for RAW Recording with NEW BMPC4K ??? as it record 4K, I'm not sure that list of SSD's for BMCC is useful...
Also on your site it says:
Record Times for 4K Resolution using ProRes™ 240GB -36min and 480GB -72min
...but what is Record Times for 4K RAW with the same SSD's ??

Thanks in advance!

It's visually lossless, a very slight compression. Should be keyable.

Dear Christine! Would you be so kind to let us know if there list of Recommended SSDs for RAW Recording with NEW BMPC4K ??? as it record 4K, I'm not sure that list of SSD's for BMCC is useful...
Also on your site it says:
Record Times for 4K Resolution using ProRes™ 240GB -36min and 480GB -72min
...but what is Record Times for 4K RAW with the same SSD's ??

Thanks in advance!

BMD hasn't announced final data rates for its new compressed RAW recording formats yet.

The new BMPC-4K camera isn't close to shipping yet, so they haven't published a list of certified SSDs to use with it yet.

Please don't make the mistake others have made by buying gear solely for use with a BMD camera which isn't shipping yet and which (if past experience is a guide) may not be in your hands anytime soon.

I have a BMPC-4K on pre-order, but I'm not buying any accessories for it until I actually have the camera. Many items, such as SSDs & lenses, can be acquired at low prices, even on short notice.

Cheers.

It's visually lossless, a very slight compression. Should be keyable.

Dear Christine! Would you be so kind to let us know if there list of Recommended SSDs for RAW Recording with NEW BMPC4K ??? as it record 4K, I'm not sure that list of SSD's for BMCC is useful...
Also on your site it says:
Record Times for 4K Resolution using ProRes™ 240GB -36min and 480GB -72min
...but what is Record Times for 4K RAW with the same SSD's ??

Thanks in advance!

We haven't created a separate SSD list for this camera yet. I'm not sure if we will create a separate one... My notes from NAB say that recording in CinemaDNG RAW is approximately the same amount of time on an SSD as ProRes for the 4K camera. 60-70 minutes.

When the camera is in the hands of the beta testers, they'll be able to share more information about what SSDs they've used and their performance.

Please don't make the mistake others have made by buying gear solely for use with a BMD camera which isn't shipping yet and which (if past experience is a guide) may not be in your hands anytime soon.
Cheers.

.. I just trying to see if there any reason for me to get BMPC4K as back-up for my Sony FS-700 as far as I will get update, Interface Unit and RAW-recorder for FS-700....
I'm still not sure... as current BMPC4K EF-mount is "Limiter" - some of PL-lenses not gonna fit it...

The best way, I believe, will be to produce BMPC4K with Sony NEX E-mount ( as E-mount specifications have been released to registered parties since April 2011 and BMD don't have to pay royalties for it ) and, maybe "PL-to_NEX" adapter included with camera or we can get "PL-to_NEX" adapter everywhere ...

SergeSmArt, that sounds great, if it relates to E-mount on a third party camera, not the right to make a third party E-mount adaptor? The source for your quote? Thanks. E-mount would be a great solution, more practical than my suggested BMPC with an MFT mount, if no other Short Flange Focal Distance mount was in the running for consideration, if at all being considered by BMD.

When the camera is in the hands of the beta testers, they'll be able to share more information about what SSDs they've used and their performance.

Can I have one? Pretty please?

Hi there,

Preordered 4K production camera.
Of course it's too early question but any chance firmware will be upgraded to output Full HD 60p?
I guess sensor is abe to support 60p, bit rate for FullHD 60p about 50% of 4K 30p so ... please, please implement it. It will definitely add value.


Best Regards,
Andrey

It's nice to have dreams.

I have a dream that Blackmagic Design will actually start shipping the new BMPC-4K -- with the features described on the BMD website -- by the end of July 2013. In my dream, I might even be willing to wait for it until late Aug. or so. After that, not so much.

But then I wake up to the rumble (snoring?) of other people dreaming about a BMPC-4K with high frame rates, genlock, built-in NDs, and other dreamy things.

Keep it down, will ya? I'm trying to get some quality sleep!



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Hi there,

Preordered 4K production camera.
Of course it's too early question but any chance firmware will be upgraded to output Full HD 60p?
I guess sensor is abe to support 60p, bit rate for FullHD 60p about 50% of 4K 30p so ... please, please implement it. It will definitely add value.


Best Regards,
Andrey

I agree with Peter, we need some quality sleep now on the west coast. I do not think you will see 60fps in full HD on the BMPC4K. I don't think Grant Petty's vision for a cinema camera is quite the same as some other vendors who crop the sensor to be able to deliver free frame rates. On the BMPC4K, HD is achieved on output by downscaling from the full 4K image sensor data. Okay? Please, someday there may be higher frame rates but no promises and it will be for the full active sensor, not a crop.

Rick Lang
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It's visually lossless, a very slight compression. Should be keyable.

Dear Christine! Would you be so kind to let us know if there list of Recommended SSDs for RAW Recording with NEW BMPC4K ??? as it record 4K, I'm not sure that list of SSD's for BMCC is useful...
Also on your site it says:
Record Times for 4K Resolution using ProRes™ 240GB -36min and 480GB -72min
...but what is Record Times for 4K RAW with the same SSD's ??

Thanks in advance!

We haven't created a separate SSD list for this camera yet. I'm not sure if we will create a separate one... My notes from NAB say that recording in CinemaDNG RAW is approximately the same amount of time on an SSD as ProRes for the 4K camera. 60-70 minutes.

When the camera is in the hands of the beta testers, they'll be able to share more information about what SSDs they've used and their performance.

Umm does this not worry anyone else? The camera is not in the hands of Beta testers yet... REALLY? For crying out loud BMD we all know how slow you are at manufacturing surely you should have been pressing the go button on the conveyer belt already?

... When the camera is in the hands of the beta testers, they'll be able to share more information about what SSDs they've used and their performance.

Umm does this not worry anyone else? The camera is not in the hands of Beta testers yet... REALLY? For crying out loud BMD we all know how slow you are at manufacturing surely you should have been pressing the go button on the conveyer belt already?

What, me worry?

If my dim memory is correct, I believe BMD sent beta original-version BMCCs to their beta testers (other than JB, who received prototype cams much earlier) about a month or so before the camera first started "shipping" (that brief burst of a few cameras that went out before the sensor debacle). However, I could be mistaken about this.

If BMD follows a similar pattern, we might not hear about beta testers receiving beta BMPC-4K cams until late June 2013 or so, if in fact BMD is going to start shipping these puppies by late July 2013 as expected/promised/whatever.

In any event, Christine always speaks the truth! When she posted on May 7, 2013, what she said may well have been true. If the very next day BMD sent out beta units, her statement would still be true, and not particularly worrying to me.

Do I wish BMD sent beta units to their testers "sooner"? Yes, absolutely. The longer the beta testers work with the cams pre-production the better. JB works with prototype cams starting very early-on, but BMD doesn't always refer to him as a beta tester, even though he obviously is.

Combined with the "fact" that the BMPC-4K is allegedly in many ways similar to the original BMCC -- the same case, lens mount, battery, SSD receptacle, LCD, and probably most of the firmware, and "only" the sensor, circuit board, and some of the firmware are different -- there's a realistic chance the BMPC-4K development time might be relatively short and uneventful. No guarantees, but not all of this stuff is rocket science.

"Late July 2013" isn't here yet.

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... When the camera is in the hands of the beta testers, they'll be able to share more information about what SSDs they've used and their performance.

Umm does this not worry anyone else? The camera is not in the hands of Beta testers yet... REALLY? For crying out loud BMD we all know how slow you are at manufacturing surely you should have been pressing the go button on the conveyer belt already?

What, me worry?

If my dim memory is correct, I believe BMD sent beta original-version BMCCs to their beta testers (other than JB, who received prototype cams much earlier) about a month or so before the camera first started "shipping" (that brief burst of a few cameras that went out before the sensor debacle). However, I could be mistaken about this.

If BMD follows a similar pattern, we might not hear about beta testers receiving beta BMPC-4K cams until late June 2013 or so, if in fact BMD is going to start shipping these puppies by late July 2013 as expected/promised/whatever.

In any event, Christine always speaks the truth! When she posted on May 7, 2013, what she said may well have been true. If the very next day BMD sent out beta units, her statement would still be true, and not particularly worrying to me.

Do I wish BMD sent beta units to their testers "sooner"? Yes, absolutely. The longer the beta testers work with the cams pre-production the better. JB works with prototype cams starting very early-on, but BMD doesn't always refer to him as a beta tester, even though he obviously is.

Combined with the "fact" that the BMPC-4K is allegedly in many ways similar to the original BMCC -- the same case, lens mount, battery, SSD receptacle, LCD, and probably most of the firmware, and "only" the sensor, circuit board, and some of the firmware are different -- there's a realistic chance the BMPC-4K development time might be relatively short and uneventful. No guarantees, but not all of this stuff is rocket science.

"Late July 2013" isn't here yet.

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Late July will come and go and I guarantee that only a handful will get their camera and BMD will call it a successful launch while this place will be inundated with "Where's my camera" threads and another Grant Petty created topic telling people about "unforeseen circumstances" that were "out of our control" and the go on to blame "the supplier of our 'insert excuse here'" and that it wasn't "our fault" etc.

People will the come on to thank him for his "transparency" and they will "look forward" to his promised update of "early august" that will never come, because being BMD that too will be late (as it was before).

Have I made my point? GET THE BMPCC AND THE BMPC 4K OUT TO BETA TESTERS ALREADY!

Umm does this not worry anyone else? The camera is not in the hands of Beta testers yet... REALLY? For crying out loud BMD we all know how slow you are at manufacturing surely you should have been pressing the go button on the conveyer belt already?

What, me worry?

If my dim memory is correct, I believe BMD sent beta original-version BMCCs to their beta testers (other than JB, who received prototype cams much earlier) about a month or so before the camera first started "shipping" (that brief burst of a few cameras that went out before the sensor debacle). However, I could be mistaken about this.

If BMD follows a similar pattern, we might not hear about beta testers receiving beta BMPC-4K cams until late June 2013 or so, if in fact BMD is going to start shipping these puppies by late July 2013 as expected/promised/whatever.

In any event, Christine always speaks the truth! When she posted on May 7, 2013, what she said may well have been true. If the very next day BMD sent out beta units, her statement would still be true, and not particularly worrying to me.

Do I wish BMD sent beta units to their testers "sooner"? Yes, absolutely. The longer the beta testers work with the cams pre-production the better. JB works with prototype cams starting very early-on, but BMD doesn't always refer to him as a beta tester, even though he obviously is.

Combined with the "fact" that the BMPC-4K is allegedly in many ways similar to the original BMCC -- the same case, lens mount, battery, SSD receptacle, LCD, and probably most of the firmware, and "only" the sensor, circuit board, and some of the firmware are different -- there's a realistic chance the BMPC-4K development time might be relatively short and uneventful. No guarantees, but not all of this stuff is rocket science.

"Late July 2013" isn't here yet.

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Late July will come and go and I guarantee that only a handful will get their camera and BMD will call it a successful launch while this place will be inundated with "Where's my camera" threads and another Grant Petty created topic telling people about "unforeseen circumstances" that were "out of our control" and the go on to blame "the supplier of our 'insert excuse here'" and that it wasn't "our fault" etc.

People will the come on to thank him for his "transparency" and they will "look forward" to his promised update of "early august" that will never come, because being BMD that too will be late (as it was before).

Have I made my point? GET THE BMPCC AND THE BMPC 4K OUT TO BETA TESTERS ALREADY!

"What's your point?", he asked passive aggressively.

Late July will come and go and I guarantee that only a handful will get their camera and BMD will call it a successful launch while this place will be inundated with "Where's my camera" threads and another Grant Petty created topic telling people about "unforeseen circumstances" that were "out of our control" and the go on to blame "the supplier of our 'insert excuse here'" and that it wasn't "our fault" etc.

People will the come on to thank him for his "transparency" and they will "look forward" to his promised update of "early august" that will never come, because being BMD that too will be late (as it was before).

Have I made my point? GET THE BMPCC AND THE BMPC 4K OUT TO BETA TESTERS ALREADY!

Yes because it happened with their first ever camera, that means it's going to happen from now on moving forward because people are incapable of learning. Ok, let's go with that one.

I, on the other hand, believe that while not everyone will get their camera within the first 3 months, it won't be the series of unfortunate events that happened with the BMCC. I'm a glass half full type of person.

Somebody knows if the issue with the Tokina 11-16 not focussing to infinity will be fixed in the BMPC 4K?

Somebody knows if the issue with the Tokina 11-16 not focussing to infinity will be fixed in the BMPC 4K?

Since the new BMPC-4K camera won't be shipping for months, I doubt a definitive answer is available yet.

My understanding is that all current-model BMCC-EF cams ship with the "new" FFD flange fix for compatibility with lenses such as the Tokina 11-16mm zoom.

BMD advertises the new BMPC-4K as being physically identical and compatible (in terms of its case, dimensions, etc.) compared to the BMCC-EF.

So chances are good, but not guaranteed, that the BMPC-4K will have the new FFD flange fix also.

Meanwhile, please don't buy expensive accessories (such as lenses) for use with a camera that you don't have in-hand yet. The new BMPC-4K and BMPCC pocket cam are months away from shipping. No one knows -- yet -- when you'll actually be able to purchase one of the new cams.

Cheers.

My notes from NAB say that recording in CinemaDNG RAW is approximately the same amount of time on an SSD as ProRes for the 4K camera. 60-70 minutes.

This is good to hear, I have been starting to think what I should budget for media, and start to look out for on sale ssds.

Friend mentioned today he spoke to an Australian importer who said the first round of BMPocket cams will be here next month. (June) which suggests ahead of schedule. Hopefully my preorder makes the first allocation.

If I can have a 4k BM in my hands by late August for my time lapse trip I will be very happy with the possibility of mixing 4k lapse and video footage.

2 preorders one for each new cam, shall we start placing bets on when either will arrive??

Late July will come and go and I guarantee that only a handful will get their camera and BMD will call it a successful launch while this place will be inundated with "Where's my camera" threads and another Grant Petty created topic telling people about "unforeseen circumstances" that were "out of our control" and the go on to blame "the supplier of our 'insert excuse here'" and that it wasn't "our fault" etc.

People will the come on to thank him for his "transparency" and they will "look forward" to his promised update of "early august" that will never come, because being BMD that too will be late (as it was before).

Have I made my point? GET THE BMPCC AND THE BMPC 4K OUT TO BETA TESTERS ALREADY!

Yes because it happened with their first ever camera, that means it's going to happen from now on moving forward because people are incapable of learning. Ok, let's go with that one.

I, on the other hand, believe that while not everyone will get their camera within the first 3 months, it won't be the series of unfortunate events that happened with the BMCC. I'm a glass half full type of person.

Happened once? Yes it happened once... with the ATEM, with the Hyperdeck studio pro, with the BMCC... actually thats not "once" at all now, is it?

Happened once? Yes it happened once... with the ATEM, with the Hyperdeck studio pro, with the BMCC... actually thats not "once" at all now, is it?

To the best of my knowledge, what spike is saying here is true: Blackmagic Design's timely "first ship" performance for several products has not been good during the past year or two. In fact, it's been downright dismal.

However, in each case they eventually shipped, but as most of us know, sometimes eventually was a l-o-n-g time coming. And in the case of the BMCC availability in EU, they still seem to have a long ways to go yet. And then there's the mythical BMCC-MFT model ...

Going forward, I'm hopeful BMD has addressed their time-to-first-ship issues. But the only way we'll know is if they actually start shipping products much closer to when they say they would.

The new BMPCC pocket and BMPC-4K cams will be tests of that. Speaking only for myself, I think I might be willing to wait about 30 days or so after late July 2013 for the BMPC-4K I pre-ordered on day 2 of NAB 2013. If no joy by then, I may just get a GH3 first and swear-off buying a "real" camera for a while ...

Again, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not holding my breath.

Cheers.

Well, they are still going with the "beta testers feedback" time out. That was good for at least a month with the BMCC. Good thing though...if it hadn't been for the beta testers, early buyers would be dealing with problems like flange distance, black dots, ghost power ups, phantom power downs, DC offsets, etc.

wen bmcc 4k footage wil release? sure it wil b better than 2.5k r nt?

wen bmcc 4k footage wil release?

When it's ready. See:
http://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... e-orginal/

sure it wil b better than 2.5k r nt?

Different, not better. See:
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/product ... ncamera4k/
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/product ... emacamera/

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Hello.

I would realy like to know if there is going to be a future upgrade for 50p or 60p?
Are there any planned software updates? And why there is no 50p? It is illogical!

For me this would mean buying this camera or something that has the frame rate neede.

spike,
Why are you so negative all the time?

Anyway, I also placed a preorder for the BMPC4K on the day it was announced, and I'm eager to hear updates about availability, features (such as 60p), etc., as well as to see some test footage.
I'm also hopeful that BMD will actually make their shipping dates, but am aware that there is certainly a fair chance they won't.

I've shot with the BMCC (rented) and love it. The only serious issue in my mind is audio (the implementation of audio on the camera is still awful)... to the point where I'm considering recording externally when my camera arrives.

I think Spike is trying to keep BMC honest and by reminding us on how promises were made in the past and broken, Spike is the voice in thier ear that if you keep promising and not delivering, then your promises are nothing more than NAB propaganda.

If Spike continues to remind BMC about being late to market, maybe they will actually "deliver" on this one. And if that's the case, I'm all in favor of Spike reminding BMC of the past so that the future does not repeat itself.

I don't speak for Spike, these are only my thoughts on the matter for what it's worth.

Gilly

spike,
Why are you so negative all the time?

Chris, we know what you mean, but honestly Spike and others also post very helpful messages when the topic is not about shipping and so on. I personally hope the constructive messages will be more prominent in time.

Rick Lang
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Hello. I would realy like to know if there is going to be a future upgrade for 50p or 60p? Are there any planned software updates? And why there is no 50p? It is illogical! For me this would mean buying this camera or something that has the frame rate neede.

I think it's "illogical" for you to be requesting feature updates for a camera that isn't even scheduled to start shipping until late July 2013 at the earliest!

Perhaps you should go buy "something" else that does everything the BMPC-4K will do (plus includes Davinci Resolve, UltraScope & Media Express) and which sells for around $4K US!

Cheers.

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Ordered my BMPC a month ago, I can't wait to get it. Only issue is the EF mount. Yeah, I'm sure that I'm not the first to post this. New kid in town...

Yeah, me too. That damn EF mount is probably going to make me go for the MFT version. I really want that sensor though. Errr!

Feature request: Since mft has so many camera mount adapters.. I'd love to see switchable crop modes (8, super 8, 16, super 16, for example) for the sensor to keep from having to crop in post. Even if it meant losing the 2.5k for the smaller formats, it'd be good to be able to use these cheap C and D mounts (or in my case, Kinor mounts) without the vignetting and on a size they were originally designed for on a modern system...

Who said there'd be a MFT version? BMD have hinted the next one will be a PL.

Who said there'd be a MFT version? BMD have hinted the next one will be a PL.

Yikes, wrong thread.

Seems like people have give up on this thread?

I'm now kinda thinking I should not of turned down an offer of a 2.5k model from my supplier as I have little faith in getting my 4k camera this year.
I really need it for August as i'm shooting a feature film and 2 TV Pilots back to back.

Getting worried, we don't even have some stills to look and wonder at, it all makes me think that they are not so confident on the quality of the 4k camera, or it has problems.
We've had footage from the pocket camera a while ago now and nothing not even a hint about the 4k camera?

And I don't go with the 'no news is good news brigade' if this camera was all they say it is, they would be shouting it from the roof tops but all we get is 'SILENCE!!!' It's that loud my ears hurt.

Looks like I will be shooting in my trusty now even better hacked 7d and 5d.

Seems like people have give up on this thread?

I'm now kinda thinking I should not of turned down an offer of a 2.5k model from my supplier as I have little faith in getting my 4k camera this year.
I really need it for August as i'm shooting a feature film and 2 TV Pilots back to back.

Getting worried, we don't even have some stills to look and wonder at, it all makes me think that they are not so confident on the quality of the 4k camera, or it has problems.
We've had footage from the pocket camera a while ago now and nothing not even a hint about the 4k camera?

And I don't go with the 'no news is good news brigade' if this camera was all they say it is, they would be shouting it from the roof tops but all we get is 'SILENCE!!!' It's that loud my ears hurt.

Looks like I will be shooting in my trusty now even better hacked 7d and 5d.

What are you babbling about?

The BMPC-4K isn't expected to start shipping until late July 2013. When BMD is ready to show BMPC-4K sample footage, they will. BMD has already proven (with the original BMCC) that their image quality standards are very high.

I doubt BMD will have any problem selling every BMPC-4K they can make, assuming its video performance is good. Given that reality, there's no reason for BMD to release BMPC-4K sample footage prematurely.

I placed a no-obligation, no-deposit pre-order for a BMPC-4K the day after BMD announced it at NAB 2013. I'm not the least worried that I haven't seen any sample footage. When I receive my camera, if I don't like it, I'll return it. Pretty simple.

P.S.: If you're planning 2 shoots this August around a camera that doesn't even start shipping until late July 2013 (at the earliest), you're, um, very brave. I hope for both our sake that the BMPC-4K is readily available by Aug. 1st, but I'm not holding my breath. Best of luck to all of us.

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Oh so I'm babbling now?

The simple fact is mate, that their (Black Magic) customer service is poor by any standards.

I waited almost a year before cancelling my 2k camera.
People like you who constantly stick up for them are doing others no favours at all.

You have placed a non deposit pre order on your're camera, looks like you dont have any confidence either? Non deposit? at least I have some faith because I place a full deposit order?

Telling people they are babbling on is rude MATE.
My statement is fact.

Oh so I'm babbling now?

The simple fact is mate, that their (Black Magic) customer service is poor by any standards.

I waited almost a year before cancelling my 2k camera.
People like you who constantly stick up for them are doing others no favours at all.

You have placed a non deposit pre order on your're camera, looks like you dont have any confidence either? Non deposit? at least I have some faith because I place a full deposit order?

Telling people they are babbling on is rude MATE.
My statement is fact.

Yes, I agree: Given BMD's camera shipping history (or lack thereof), your paying for a deposit on the BMPC-4K after waiting "almost a year" for a BMCC may well be characterized as "faith-based" buying.

In contrast, given BMD's history, my placing a no-obligation, no-deposit pre-order for a BMPC-4K is extremely wise.

Your statement, "... it all makes me think that they are not so confident on the quality of the 4k camera, or it has problems ...", is pure speculation and not based on any reasonable evidence.

Aug. 1, 2013 isn't here yet. If the BMPC-4K hasn't started shipping by then, then you can start whining.

However, as I said, I hope for all our sake: I hope many of us will be happy starting 8/1/13 or very soon thereafter. Cheers.

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Oh so I'm babbling now?

The simple fact is mate, that their (Black Magic) customer service is poor by any standards.

I waited almost a year before cancelling my 2k camera.
People like you who constantly stick up for them are doing others no favours at all.

You have placed a non deposit pre order on your're camera, looks like you dont have any confidence either? Non deposit? at least I have some faith because I place a full deposit order?

Telling people they are babbling on is rude MATE.
My statement is fact.

Who are these resellers that are taking full deposits? I would never order from one that does this. Most, if not all, of the reputable resellers around here take no deposit or minimal ($1) deposits. Personally, I'd order from a company that takes no deposit. I think it's pretty risky and suspicious that a reseller would take a full deposit.

I've ordered from these guys before had no issues at all.
I am willing to wait as long as it takes, I said August not 1st but 25th, so hopefully, I will have it by then, if not I have access to an Arri if I need it.

I ordered mine when they (my supplier) were still at Nab and I'm number 2 on the order list with them.

if not I have access to an Arri if I need it.

Mercy! Plan on the Arri then. Even if the BMPC4K comes in, you would be much better served by the Arri.

For the life of me I do not understand how people will post on how an upcoming, important, critical, major, for all the marbles, I've got everything riding on this... etc etc and follow that with the statement of how they wonder if the camera will be shipping. And when someone tries to add a sense of reality to the post, he's called "rude".... hmmm

I for one if I had a pending project I would want a camera in hand, shooting test shots, getting things sorted etc. I would not entertain the thought of waiting on a camera. Unless people like establishing scape goat stories on how it would have been perfect except I didnt have the camera I ordered at NAB. Why put oneself through the stress and agony? Unless you like that sort of thing... I''m not going to judge.

Since the 2.5k is slowly making it out in certain parts of the world, and if one were set on 4k for $4k, then I would think about buying the needed support items... cage, audio support, lenses, cards etc, and rent a 2.5k, so if the 4k misses a deadline, youre still good to go and have all the widgets ready and waiting for the 4k when it does come out. To each their own I guess, but I would take this route and not lose a bit of sleep if the 4k didnt hit the streets on time. Heed the words of Spike... if it aint in your hands, a BMD promise can be more of a BMD uncle that is always late and everyone knew he would be.

Most people obviously don't understand that "shipping" isn't the same as "receiving". Assuming the cameras start shipping in July there will still be a huge backlog of orders to fullfill, and it might take months until it's your turn to receive one. That's nothing to complain about, as there are no broken promises involved.

Most people obviously don't understand that "shipping" isn't the same as "receiving". Assuming the cameras start shipping in July there will still be a huge backlog of orders to fullfill, and it might take months until it's your turn to receive one. That's nothing to complain about, as there are no broken promises involved.

Ha, if they ship my camera in July and I don't receive it for months afterwards, they need a faster boat...!

Ha, if they ship my camera in July and I don't receive it for months afterwards, they need a faster boat...!

Well, i hope they ship a camera in july - but i guess it won't be mine or yours...

Oh so I'm babbling now?

Who are these resellers that are taking full deposits? I would never order from one that does this. Most, if not all, of the reputable resellers around here take no deposit or minimal ($1) deposits. Personally, I'd order from a company that takes no deposit. I think it's pretty risky and suspicious that a reseller would take a full deposit.

Does "B&H Photo Video" reputable reseller then?. haha

B&H took full deposit for me preordering Blackmagic Camera 4K. As I understood (googling after preorder) because I am not from US and was using foreign credit card.


Best Regards,
Andrey

Oh so I'm babbling now?

Who are these resellers that are taking full deposits? I would never order from one that does this. Most, if not all, of the reputable resellers around here take no deposit or minimal ($1) deposits. Personally, I'd order from a company that takes no deposit. I think it's pretty risky and suspicious that a reseller would take a full deposit.

Does "B&H Photo Video" reputable reseller then?. haha

B&H took full deposit for me preordering Blackmagic Camera 4K. As I understood (googling after preorder) because I am not from US and was using foreign credit card.


Best Regards,
Andrey

That's a different case since it's a foreign credit card but I still wouldn't do the full price preorder. That just doesn't sit well with me.

Someone's probably said this already but Adorama recently happily accepted my orders, they didn't take any deposit and I used a South African (foreign) credit card. I ordered my BMCC EFs from B&H and they took the full amount off my card when I placed the order (so that money sat in someone else's account for 8-10 months).

hi
I want to know if i put an EF lens (canon EF 50mm) to BMPC how it will appear ( in mm) ?

(sorry , my English is not very well ) .

hi
I want to know if i put an EF lens (canon EF 50mm) to BMPC how it will appear ( in mm) ?

(sorry , my English is not very well ) .

The crop factor of the BMPC4K is 1.7x so compared to a full frame camera like the Canon 5D, the 50mm lens on the 5D will appear to have the same angle of view as a 29mm lens on the BMPC4K. Here is a quick comparison for the 50mm lens on each sensor assuming all aspect ratios are 16:9:

5D AOV horizontal 39.6 degrees, diagonal 44.9 degrees
S35 AOV horizontal 28.0 degrees, diagonal 31.9 degrees
BMPC4K AOV horizontal 23.9 degrees, diagonal 27.2 degrees
BMCC AOV horizontal 18.0 degrees, diagonal 20.6 degrees
BMPCC AOV horizontal 14.2 degrees, diagonal 16.3 degrees

If you wanted the 'normal' look on each sensor, this is the actual lens you would use:

5D 50mm lens, crop 1.0x
S35 35mm lens, crop 1.45x
BMPC4K 30mm lens, crop 1.70x
BMCC 21-24mm lens, crop 2.28x
BMPCC 17.5mm lens, crop 2.88x

Rick Lang
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Hi,

New to the forum.

Just wondering if Black Magic have a rough date on when they will announce the REAL shipping date for the 4K?

Cheers

... Just wondering if Black Magic have a rough date on when they will announce the REAL shipping date for the 4K? Cheers

"Shipments start by the end of July 2013", is all the information we've been given. Hasn't changed since the announcement at the NAB 2013 expo back in April. Hopefully it's accurate.

Standing by ...

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