[Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

Blackmagic - make it easy to start a project with other framerate than 24 fps!

1) When dragging a 25 fps video to the project it still dont change timeline to 25 fps!

2) I tried save a default 25 fps project start... I read the manual page 145-147 - and that is NOT working, because when you start a NEW project you dont get any option to what setting you want and you cant tell the program in the settings. So it still ended up with 24 fps!!!

Because 24-to-25 need retiming, either you play audio at speed and retime video or play frame for frame and retime audio...

Because 24-to-25 need retiming, either you play audio at speed and retime video or play frame for frame and retime audio...

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

If your timeline was 25fps you would get 25fps in the render page.

If your timeline was 25fps you would get 25fps in the render page.

Thanks, I think it is bad programming, also it is impossible to have 25 fps as default when making a project. Now you have to remember it everytime to change it.

sorry, but if my output format is supposed to be 25fps, then i also shoot in 25fps.
especially since shooting in 24fps makes no difference to shooting in 25fps,
except in post-production when it leads to such problems.
and I still have to be careful that no flicker occurs in artificial light.

The default timeline framerate of 24fps reflects Resolves original and continuing use for cinema. Apart from setting up the project in the first place, you get the option to change the frame rate if needs be, when you import the first clip.
I think you are citing a problem that doesn't exist.

The default timeline framerate of 24fps reflects Resolves original and continuing use for cinema. Apart from setting up the project in the first place, you get the option to change the frame rate if needs be, when you import the first clip.
I think you are citing a problem that doesn't exist.

To me it is a BIG problem, as you can see on the picture, my video is 25 fps, but Davinci can't even auto correct the timeline. Also when you made the timeline, you CAN'T change it... so BIG problem

Try unticking "use project settings" - you can then set whatever frame rate you like.

If you de-select Use Poject Settings you can specify the framerate.

and if all settings are done you can save in the presets as default for 25fps

If you de-select Use Poject Settings you can specify the framerate.

yeah, thanks, I know.

Still I expect the program to change it automatic OR that I can change it in settings, because I forget to change framerate all the time in Davinci.

Forgetting to make sure the settings you need are correct or not is not the fault of Resolve.

Forgetting to make sure the settings you need are correct or not is not the fault of Resolve.

I think you win the internet today Charles...

Davinci can't even auto correct the timeline.

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it is impossible to have 25 fps as default when making a project.

This can make that easier.

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Forgetting to make sure the settings you need are correct or not is not the fault of Resolve.

I think you win the internet today Charles...

I think you all here are missing the point... it shouldn't be FRUSTRATION to work in a program, and this can be an easy fix. Since all other programs have it working now!

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

It's as if Premiere and Resolve are completely different programs. If Resolve doesn't do what you want, perhaps you'd be better off staying on Premiere.

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

It's as if Premiere and Resolve are completely different programs. If Resolve doesn't do what you want, perhaps you'd be better off staying on Premiere.

you know what Marc - please stop commenting on my posts - I am here to make the program, my ONLY way of doing POST, because I had the roundtrip to color grade in Davinci (still only program, that is good), and if ALL is perfect in Davinci. I really think it can be used as a professionel option!

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

It's as if Premiere and Resolve are completely different programs. If Resolve doesn't do what you want, perhaps you'd be better off staying on Premiere.

you know what Marc - please stop commenting on my posts - I am here to make the program, my ONLY way of doing POST, because I had the roundtrip to color grade in Davinci (still only program, that is good), and if ALL is perfect in Davinci. I really think it can be used as a professionel option!

Define “perfect”.

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

It's as if Premiere and Resolve are completely different programs. If Resolve doesn't do what you want, perhaps you'd be better off staying on Premiere.

you know what Marc - please stop commenting on my posts - I am here to make the program, my ONLY way of doing POST, because I had the roundtrip to color grade in Davinci (still only program, that is good), and if ALL is perfect in Davinci. I really think it can be used as a professionel option!

Very entertaining
You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

It's as if Premiere and Resolve are completely different programs. If Resolve doesn't do what you want, perhaps you'd be better off staying on Premiere.

Probably the best intelligent comment there!!! Guys I coming from premiere too (and first I was in media composer). first to write here a strange request, I read manual, I start learning training courses in davinci (it's ALL free!!!!), I follow video tutorials on youtube.... And then, if I still have an issue, I request here an help... But without the mood like "premiere piss off davinci because blablabla" ... I don't wanna be rude, but guys, also trees know that premiere it's more and more flexible than other programs about codecs and format, interface etc, but I don't consider a really good pro this. With new features, more or less professional, Adobe create a "train" of bugs that's also Adobe don't know how to solve it... And you still pay every month the carnivals bug.. It's like that you can buy a Ferrari and then you go to drive into the desert. You can... It's a machine like a Jeep... But then you will have some issue. On davinci, if you know that your project need to be at 24 or 25, it setup all the pipeline at that format. It's more rocky, it's more professional like media composer. Anyway, if you put the first clip on timeline with different framerate, davinci told you if you wanna change project format using clip framerate. If you wanna change timeline framerate, you have to create a new timeline and unflag use project settings and then you can select what format you prefer. The deliver page use the timeline frame rate. but guys please stop with the annoying premiere do this and dr no... You can test dr for free (not in trial, I mean, free... Lol) and looking if it fits for your workflow.. For example, I've got a big clients that sometimes need a classic videos on DVD (damn)... Or some mastering in mp3 files... I found that dr don't do a mpeg2 video ts content for DVD and also mp3. So what? I will export for example a wave of aiff and I will do the mp3 conversion to iTunes for example, or I will export a classic video mp4 and I will convert it in mts using another dvd program... Also adobe since CS6 stop to Paying users to download its DVD program so what?..

With this bad English monologue, what I'm say? That every program NLE have got pro or cons, and you're free to understand what's better for you, but first you have to study and learn new program to be compared with other programs that you know how to use it

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion[/quote]

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better!

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better![/quote]

My friend what you're looking as bug, in dr is not a bug it's a different working pipeline... mp3 or mp2 are missing codecs but it isn't a bug. It's a different corporation view between black magic design and adobe. for your workflow you have to understand what's better for you... Classic effects between clips (that you can create also in dr), or good and fast color grading? If you thinking about to be faster in premiere, stay in premiere and use lumetri panel to do simple color grading. The perfect program don't exist and that's because you can share timeline in XML with some limitations from and to NLE programs.. In my case, coming after 12 years on media composer, when I switched to premiere, I've worked this years with a keyboard mapped with ALL buttons like media composer. I I was faster like first. what I mean? I mean that I can understand different functions between program, but I don't understand when people tell that a program it's more faster then another program in daily workflow, because it's a videomaker that make it's workflow not the program

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better!

My friend what you're looking as bug, in dr is not a bug it's a different working pipeline... mp3 or mp2 are missing codecs but it isn't a bug. It's a different corporation view between black magic design and adobe. for your workflow you have to understand what's better for you... Classic effects between clips (that you can create also in dr), or good and fast color grading? If you thinking about to be faster in premiere, stay in premiere and use lumetri panel to do simple color grading. The perfect program don't exist and that's because you can share timeline in XML with some limitations from and to NLE programs.. In my case, coming after 12 years on media composer, when I switched to premiere, I've worked this years with a keyboard mapped with ALL buttons like media composer. I I was faster like first. what I mean? I mean that I can understand different functions between program, but I don't understand when people tell that a program it's more faster then another program in daily workflow, because it's a videomaker that make it's workflow not the program [/quote]

GO AWAY!!! I you don't want the program to be better, then why are you here!

I'm here because I trust on black magic design. I use its atem switcher and now after learning dr, I don't come back to premiere. It's more rock, solid collaboration, tons of video tutorial, virtual lessons. I can start working from 8 to 20 without any issue, white window crash program etc. I can export without any crash at half export rendering. That's go over missing mp2 or mp3 on delivery page. With 300 bucks I've got two perpetual licence, fusion studio key, the speed editor, a media page (like Adobe prelude - money), edit page (Adobe premiere - money), cut page (Adobe premiere rush - money), fusion page (Adobe after effects - money), fairlight page (Adobe audition - money), deliver page (Adobe media encoder - momey). As I told to you the workaround to change timeline fps is there. All NLE are very similar, and using the right mapped keyboard, you best your workflow like everyday. Also the workaround to use premiere to edit and davinci to color grade, is there, but you have to use the right workflow --raw edit --color in davinci --final edit with effect in premiere. But if you start in wrong way like add effects in premiere and then color grade in davinci exporting XML, I'm sorry but the problem isn't in davinci or premiere, but is yours..

My 2 cents.

Like the other posters Alessandro is trying to help. It would seem, however, that if Resolve does something that doesn't fit in with what you want it to do, it's wrong or a bug.
You might want a default 25fps timeline, but what about the feature film users who require 24fps. What about me who shoots at 50fps?
Resolve is not Premiere, and Premiere is not Resolve. They work differently and you have to change your workflow to accommodate those differences.

Like the other posters Alessandro is trying to help. It would seem, however, that if Resolve does something that doesn't fit in with what you want it to do, it's wrong or a bug.
You might want a default 25fps timeline, but what about the feature film users who require 24fps. What about me who shoots at 50fps?
Resolve is not Premiere, and Premiere is not Resolve. They work differently and you have to change your workflow to accommodate those differences.

wrong or bug - I am saying this can be much better for the workflow... and who ever reads on this forum, can use my feedback on how I use it! Thanks

I still feel it is a frustration, I dont need to have. Thanks

Blackmagic - make it easy to start a project with other framerate than 24 fps!

1) When dragging a 25 fps video to the project it still dont change timeline to 25 fps!

Resolve always asks for fps change if 1st clip doesn't match project settings, so not sure why it doesn't do it for you. In case of 24p project and 25p source it happens as well. Which version are you using? Are you sure clip is 25p?

BM could introduce setting in preferences for default project fps. Put is in request forum.

As I know, you can set your user pref as default, so you can set for example a default timeline at 25 fps, and every time you starts a new project, the timeline will be at 25. You have only to set one time

Because 24-to-25 need retiming, either you play audio at speed and retime video or play frame for frame and retime audio...

okay - I dont have this problem in premiere pro. If I want to export to 25 fps, then I can do that!

What is different in Premiere is that it allows you on export to choose fps, but it still falls into some problems as fps conversion is not easy.
In Resolve you set project to final fps and all conversion happens on import stage. Premiere is more flexible, but also for those who have no idea what they are doing allows to produce jerky masters very easily.

Resolve allows for 24<->23.976 change on export as a special case.

As I know, you can set your user pref as default, so you can set for example a default timeline at 25 fps, and every time you starts a new project, the timeline will be at 25. You have only to set one time

You mean as an advanced option ? I don't see such an option exposed in GUI.

Open 24p default project, make changes as you wish to all settings including fps, go to Presets tab, save as eg. "25p default". Then right click on this preset and press "Save As Default User Config".
Every time you start Resolve with new default project it will be 25p based (including your other changed options).

Open 24p default project, make changes as you wish to all settings including fps, go to Presets tab, save as eg. "25p default". Then right click on this preset and press "Save As Default User Config".
Every time you start Resolve with new default project it will be 25p based (including your other changed options).

That is what I recommend in the other 25fps thread.

I remember vaguely that you could charge the "system settings" at one point in time, that could solve the problem for the op.

I think there is a bigger point to Claus's post to be made here that's being missed with all the tit-for-tat:

There are far more significant gotchas between 23.976, 24p and 25p.

For those that don't know, 23.976 (which FCP 7 used to abbreviate at 23.98) and 25p are all about the differences between NTSC drop-frame and, the PAL video standards of 25 and 50p.

When we do transfers to film, there's no such thing as "23.976" or drop-frame when it comes to an 11-minute film load, it's a true 24fps. And in fact, when we did the reverse of scanning film for editing the edit format was 25fps to eliminate the long-form off-timing issue that a drop-frame timeline creates.

To be able to automatically define 25p as a default should be something DR could do, especially for those who are working in PAL or film-transfer environment, which in those cases any drop-frame timeline would cause major workflow issues.

I will say that just like when we shoot, we don't use "auto" anything, ever. (There was never any auto-function in a motion-picture camera, so this schema transfers to video). And for professional software I don't want it making any decisions for me, I want full control 100% percent of the time. So making sure project settings match the assets prior to work start is paramount.

DR is far different from every other NLE ever made, that's both a blessing and a curse at times, but suggestions on how to make DR work smarter, smoother and be less buggy (like all BMD products) is a great idea.

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Open 24p default project, make changes as you wish to all settings including fps, go to Presets tab, save as eg. "25p default". Then right click on this preset and press "Save As Default User Config".
Every time you start Resolve with new default project it will be 25p based (including your other changed options).

That's exactly what I do davinci born for Hollywood products, so by default works at 24p, but you can change the default user setting as you needed for example, for my works I use many presets: fullhd25, fullhd50, uhd25, custom instagram resolution 25p, fullhd 21:9 25, uhd 21:9 25... Etc lol

I think there is a bigger point to Claus's post to be made here that's being missed with all the tit-for-tat:

There are far more significant gotchas between 23.976, 24p and 25p.

For those that don't know, 23.976 (which FCP 7 used to abbreviate at 23.98) and 25p are all about the differences between NTSC drop-frame and, the PAL video standards of 25 and 50p.

When we do transfers to film, there's no such thing as "23.976" or drop-frame when it comes to an 11-minute film load, it's a true 24fps. And in fact, when we did the reverse of scanning film for editing the edit format was 25fps to eliminate the long-form off-timing issue that a drop-frame timeline creates.

To be able to automatically define 25p as a default should be something DR could do, especially for those who are working in PAL or film-transfer environment, which in those cases any drop-frame timeline would cause major workflow issues.

I will say that just like when we shoot, we don't use "auto" anything, ever. (There was never any auto-function in a motion-picture camera, so this schema transfers to video). And for professional software I don't want it making any decisions for me, I want full control 100% percent of the time. So making sure project settings match the assets prior to work start is paramount.

DR is far different from every other NLE ever made, that's both a blessing and a curse at times, but suggestions on how to make DR work smarter, smoother and be less buggy (like all BMD products) is a great idea.

Resolve is not very different from other NLEs. All provide similar options using different GUIs. All have strong and weak points.
I use 3 NLEs depending on the job nature. If you must decide to use 1 due to costs you have to live with its weak points and hope they will be improved. Not a single NLE is perfect and never will be.

In this case there is no problem at all as functionality is there, so it’s just a matter of using it.

I think there is a bigger point to Claus's post to be made here that's being missed with all the tit-for-tat:

There are far more significant gotchas between 23.976, 24p and 25p.

For those that don't know, 23.976 (which FCP 7 used to abbreviate at 23.98) and 25p are all about the differences between NTSC drop-frame and, the PAL video standards of 25 and 50p.

When we do transfers to film, there's no such thing as "23.976" or drop-frame when it comes to an 11-minute film load, it's a true 24fps. And in fact, when we did the reverse of scanning film for editing the edit format was 25fps to eliminate the long-form off-timing issue that a drop-frame timeline creates.

To be able to automatically define 25p as a default should be something DR could do, especially for those who are working in PAL or film-transfer environment, which in those cases any drop-frame timeline would cause major workflow issues.

I will say that just like when we shoot, we don't use "auto" anything, ever. (There was never any auto-function in a motion-picture camera, so this schema transfers to video). And for professional software I don't want it making any decisions for me, I want full control 100% percent of the time. So making sure project settings match the assets prior to work start is paramount.

DR is far different from every other NLE ever made, that's both a blessing and a curse at times, but suggestions on how to make DR work smarter, smoother and be less buggy (like all BMD products) is a great idea.

Resolve is not very different from other NLEs. All provide similar options using different GUIs. All have strong and weak points.
I use 3 NLEs depending on the job nature. If you must decide to use 1 due to costs you have to live with its weak points and hope they will be improved. Not a single NLE is perfect and never will be.

In this case there is no problem at all as functionality is there, so it’s just a matter of using it.

Okay ... so you don't want things to be better? Yes, sure you can make workaround and frustration... I am NOT into that!

I’m all against changing the FPS after the fact in the timeline, since every technology to adapt the frame rate has its shortcomings (apart from slowing down or speeding up your originals).
But there’s nothing wrong with asking BM to offer a change of the frame rate on the Deliver page based on the technology they already have.

Okay ... so you don't want things to be better? Yes, sure you can make workaround and frustration... I am NOT into that!

I think folks are trying to tell you that it's already better. As has been pointed out, several times by now:

1) you can change your default project to 25fps. Do this once, and you never have to do it again. Every newly created project will default to 25fps. until you set a new default
.
2) when the first clip you add to a project differs from the project frame rate, you'll see a warning popup, which allows you to accept or refuse a change of timeline frame rate to the clip rate. That's it....

3) allowing a frame rate change from 24 to 25 on the Deliver page is asking for trouble. Too many variables, and no timeline playback preview to spot them.

To add to my rather general remark: the change from 24 to 25 fps should better be made by changing the playback rate after encoding. No visual artifacts and just a semi-tone higher (well close to). That’s the way movies have been shown on TV for decades in the 50 Hz areas of the planet.

I work with a lot of different timeline frame-rates so what I've done is create some template projects that I save with names like empty_50FPS, empty_60FPS, empty_30FPS, etc, etc.

When I want to start a new 25FPS project I just load the empty_25FPS project then immediately "Save As" and enter the project name I want to use.

This ensures that the timeline FPS are correct.

Simple and effective (at least it is for me).

That’s what I do too.

Okay ... so you don't want things to be better? Yes, sure you can make workaround and frustration... I am NOT into that!

I think folks are trying to tell you that it's already better. As has been pointed out, several times by now:

1) you can change your default project to 25fps. Do this once, and you never have to do it again. Every newly created project will default to 25fps. until you set a new default
.
2) when the first clip you add to a project differs from the project frame rate, you'll see a warning popup, which allows you to accept or refuse a change of timeline frame rate to the clip rate. That's it....

3) allowing a frame rate change from 24 to 25 on the Deliver page is asking for trouble. Too many variables, and no timeline playback preview to spot them.

Wll on a MAC - this is not working like it should I have already tried to change things.

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better!

You know, I have worked at the Premier since 2002, and I will tell you that it is impossible to make the work there faster. Although now Adobe is certainly trying. But it's not coming out yet.
And if you only need to colorgrading, then this is not a problem. It is still easier to pass the material than to get used to the right order of Ressolve.
And here it is not the program that needs to change.

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better!

You know, I have worked at the Premier since 2002, and I will tell you that it is impossible to make the work there faster. Although now Adobe is certainly trying. But it's not coming out yet.
And if you only need to colorgrading, then this is not a problem. It is still easier to pass the material than to get used to the right order of Ressolve.
And here it is not the program that needs to change.[/quote]


GOOD for you!!! jesus!!! I am trying to make the program better for ALL... if you like it fine!!!! I want it to be better!!!

Hej !

Er det optaget med skærmoptager ?

Hvis du kender free app: mediainfo... kan du vise specs af dine optagelser ?

You really better stay with the Premier, it's a professional opinion

Yeah, I know, my workflow is MUCH faster in premiere... problem is just that the colorgrading tools, are 1000x times better than other programs, so I have to do that is Davinci, but when I do it in Davinci, often ALL the effects I have made in premiere pro, are ****** up and I have to make layers and import frames manually. If I could make ALL in Davinci, and it was just as easy, then I would save a LOT of frustration. And that is why I started posting, in hope the team sees and correct small things to make it better!


You know, I have worked at the Premier since 2002, and I will tell you that it is impossible to make the work there faster. Although now Adobe is certainly trying. But it's not coming out yet.
And if you only need to colorgrading, then this is not a problem. It is still easier to pass the material than to get used to the right order of Ressolve.
And here it is not the program that needs to change.

GOOD for you!!! jesus!!! I am trying to make the program better for ALL... if you like it fine!!!! I want it to be better!!!

If everybody tell you «it's not a problem with programm», so what should you think?

Okay ... so you don't want things to be better? Yes, sure you can make workaround and frustration... I am NOT into that!

I think folks are trying to tell you that it's already better. As has been pointed out, several times by now:

1) you can change your default project to 25fps. Do this once, and you never have to do it again. Every newly created project will default to 25fps. until you set a new default
.
2) when the first clip you add to a project differs from the project frame rate, you'll see a warning popup, which allows you to accept or refuse a change of timeline frame rate to the clip rate. That's it....

3) allowing a frame rate change from 24 to 25 on the Deliver page is asking for trouble. Too many variables, and no timeline playback preview to spot them.

Wll on a MAC - this is not working like it should I have already tried to change things.

All of this work on Mac. I’m on Mac and many others.
If it doesn’t work for you then it’s just your isolated problem. You may need to re-install Resolve.

You badly want functionality, which is already there