4K Production Camera 1 week away

IBC Amsterdam:
Hall Number 7
Stand Number 7.H20

Maybe BMD will release more info / firmware / cameras then...

Droom lekker verder, Maarten. (al zou het wel een leuke droom zijn...)

That's Dutch for: Dream on.

Actually, I don't really bother with the 'BMD delay issue', work with what you have and stop wining (not you Maarten, but the winers on this forum), there are far more important matters in life!

Sadly all my eggs are in this one basket.

I just can't live with the small BMCC/BMPC sensors.

You mean you've been using the BMCC and decided this, or is it a preconceived notion?

Jules

Nothing preconceived about it. Played with it. Graded the nice files. Decided to wait and not spend $$ on new glass to accommodated MFT lenses. Pretty simple decision. I don't want all my Zeiss lenses to function as telephoto lenses. It's a great camera and I like the BMPCC, too.

My real concern is that crop sensor, I thought it was like a 7D but when I saw that graph (couple of comments above) i was like

I'll wait until January 2014 for S35, excellent color science (hopefully a reasonable ISO), 4K, and global shutter. I just can't live with the small BMCC/BMPC sensors. Wish I could. Would make for an easier, less costly, workflow.

In the meantime, perhaps as we wait, we can be developing new abilities so when that bad boy is released, we've learned something new. I've just started a Steadicam weight loss/exercise program.

Yes, so have you shot so much with your BMCC that it is not up to your expectations? Very curios here as your Vimeo channel doesn't have one video shot with a BMCC. Odd indeed.

Vic... I don't own a BMCC. I've tried my buddies with MFT lenses. Lovey camera. It doesn't fit my needs. It's a fine camera. Now, be nice.

Any news yet? One would think in the first week of the new month they would update their schedule.

Any news yet? One would think in the first week of the new month they would update their schedule.

Today is a holiday.

Any news yet? One would think in the first week of the new month they would update their schedule.

Today is a holiday.

In Australia?

Another week.

Another week.

Another 100 weeks.

Any news yet? One would think in the first week of the new month they would update their schedule.

Today is a holiday.

In Australia?

Pr person for Americas and Australia resides and works in the USA. One would assume that the launch has to be orchestrated.

I just received an email from a dealer who said he is responding with the latest information from Blackmagic:

"4K will be shipping in October. The Pocket Cinema Camera is shipping in limited quantities with a long waiting list. Both 2K models are available now."

2014 NAB

BMD: The Black Magic Design team would like to announce shipping this July 2014-
Costumers: Just stop! Nobody believes you anymore.

2014 NAB

BMD: The Blackmagic Design team would like to announce a new 8K camera with shipping beginning 1st May 2014 .......

I just received an email from a dealer who said he is responding with the latest information from Blackmagic:

"4K will be shipping in October. The Pocket Cinema Camera is shipping in limited quantities with a long waiting list. Both 2K models are available now."

October? Really? last news they actually had was that they just need like another week before they can start production. And they kept saying they had no issues whatsoever it just took longer than expected. So suddenly saying "we have no problem everything is as expected, we need another 2 month" is very confusing to me. I mean october in blackmagic terms can only mean end of october beginning of November translated in normal language.

Shipping July 2025!

Oke you guys would rather have a camera that does not work and have to wait 4 months on a firmware update that brings it to live. than wait a while and get a working camera out of the box.

I know that trust and believe is hard to bring up anymore with all the delays.. It gives bad publicity.

But imaging what happens if they release a camera that has flaws. Dropping frames, strange artifacts in the footage, or crashes all the time (i heard some other company has a lot of issues with firmware and crashing.. And i experienced this on site as well.. (some black and red camera ))

What if that would hit the forums.. Would you still keep your pre-order. Would you still buy the camera?? I believe not.. If that happens BMD can stop developing as the trust in that Product would be lost forever.

So keep some faith.. The product will hit the market. But they just need more time to get it right!!

TODAY I HAVE PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH BM

I have answered this


We are hoping to get the first pieces of the 4K camera in the next few weeks, however we we do not have a specific date of When the first release will be. PLEASE NOTE THAT we have a large number of back orders Already for the 4K camera and will be fulfilling Those on a date priority basis. Please note however we That we are in a position of stock With The 2.5k cinema camera in the EF and MFT version and is available to purchase locally through your reseller.

If You have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me.

It's september and it still says august on the BM website. It's embarrassing how bad BM is handling this.
I'm giving up on this, camera will never come and when it does I'm sure it will have all kinds of problems they didn't have the time to fix. The first batch of people getting it will have to send them back and wait for another three months etc. Don't say I didn't warn.

I think that if people bought the GH3 and did som jobs on that and saved up money, people could buy a Red Scarlet before the BM 4K is even out.

Sigh

I just received an email from a dealer who said he is responding with the latest information from Blackmagic:

"4K will be shipping in October. The Pocket Cinema Camera is shipping in limited quantities with a long waiting list. Both 2K models are available now."

October? Really? last news they actually had was that they just need like another week before they can start production. And they kept saying they had no issues whatsoever it just took longer than expected. So suddenly saying "we have no problem everything is as expected, we need another 2 month" is very confusing to me. I mean october in blackmagic terms can only mean end of october beginning of November translated in normal language.

They have said this since April, it's a lie or they are just too incompetent to handle customer relations to the extent that they can actually say something realistic. It's like the engineers is saying to them to don't promise anything because they have some problems and then the marketing department is promising everyone gold and fortune. It's incompetent, sounds harsh, but it is, truly remarkably incompetent.

SAY THIS FROM EUROPE.
DAYS ONLY ...

Hi Donovan,

Thank you for your message.
4K Camera (BMPC is spending the last quality control and begin to be delivered in the coming days, simultaneously worldwide. obviously in Spain begin to receive units while in the other countries.

There are a large number of cameras already ordered worldwide, but we hope to adapt quickly supply cadence for all to receive their equipment in the shortest time possible. Your dealer can update you information at the time they start shipping.

Regards,

Creativevideo.co.uk is saying they expect BMCC 4K on the 27th September

Folks,

Let's keep it civil here. No need for using abusive language on the forums.

Shhhhh!!!!

Folks,

Let's keep it civil here. No need for using abusive language on the forums.

It's hard to demand respect when you treat your customers with such disregard.

We are working very hard to get this product out the door and into users hands.

Users choice of language towards each other is what my concern is. Some people find other users content offensive and that is something that can be fixed and simply avoided. We are all adults here and do not need to use that type of content on a forum where people are here to get information and help regarding our product.

Then say that Tony. Be forth right. It's your (BMD'S) silence that makes matters worse. No official announcements? No sorry for the delays here's what going on?

Stop writing checks at NAB your butt's can't cash. We all get that you want to make a splash at NAB. But you've lost credibility by making a multiple promises you can't meet. Who will believe you in the future?

When the company continuously goes mute when deadlines are not met it's beyond frustrating. I for one was in the market for a new camera in April 2013. I waited for NAB. And BMD said here it is and there won't be the same problem as the BMCC. JULY JULY JULY. So you know I thought I can hold out until JULY. I don't have other cameras. I don't have expendable money. This is it for me. I made a choice to go with BM because of a promise and that promise was not met. As it was not met for many others with the original BMCC.

So I'm sure your trying to get this thing out. But in the future say we're hoping this thing will be out in the 4th quarter, but thats a rough estimate. Then if you get it done early hurray you just made everyone extremely happy. Over estimate! But what do I know. I'm just the guy spending his money.

What you have done now is lost the trust of the market because your word has lost its value. What was a one time hiccup is now the BMD M.O.

Suggested reading: "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"

Tony, since you're here, maybe you can shed some light on all of us. What's the official status for the 4k camera?
Thanks

Tony, people came to this forum to learn when the 4K was being released. You're bringing this upon yourself with the amount of silence BMD has been presenting. I'm this close to canceling my preorder and moving to RED, I can't afford to wait 6 months.

always put the excuse, that if you do not like waiting to buy another camera 4k cheaper ...

hundreds of people rely on the word of the company and the company only fails ...

the fault is not consumer ... is the hope that gives the company.

do not understand why they do not say anything ... simply just read our reviews.

I think it's a lack of respect for all customers who have booked a camera in your company.


not everything goes. you have to know where are the limits ... customers are not waiting to drink water dogs, live in this work and we have customers waiting for your disrespect.

is better to say that you have no camera 4k ... and when ready to make the announcement ...

  not have people waiting for anything ...

very fast but I can not take the money in the reserve. but also very slow but I can not to give answers.

Now will be the typical "smart guy" who will say that this camera is very cheap and there is nothing better on the market. but no need to get off your pants and esprar to give us for the following

Its the not knowing that is the problem All people want to know is what the problem is so they can see why the delay is happening and can then plan their next move. Most will undoubtably wait and most will understand any issues and most will stand by a company doing there best. However being kept in the dark being kept out leads to suspicion mistrust anger and people will remember in the future. Of course if you tell people there will be dissenters and their voices will be loudest. Just ignore that and treat the vast majority like you would your friend and you wont go far wrong.

An edit here, a wrist slap there and poof Tony and the BMD team disappear.

I don't know why so many got mad about delay ... I preorder 3 BMPC and just update with my FS-700 to 4K RAW recording.. today I've got order confirmation of HXR-IFR5 Interface Unit for the FS700 Camera.. and soon will ger R5 recorder ... so I have enouth toys to play with ...

..and I don't wondering anyting from Black Magic.. because IT IS A "BLACK MAGIC" ....



..don't you see the differnece between really deep BLACK MAGIC
and something simple......like a new Barack Obama speech ?

Folks,

Let's keep it civil here. No need for using abusive language on the forums.

It's hard to demand respect when you treat your customers with such disregard.

agreed!

I don't know why so many got mad about delay ... I preorder 3 BMPC and just update with my FS-700 to 4K RAW recording.. today I've got order confirmation of HXR-IFR5 Interface Unit for the FS700 Camera.. and soon will ger R5 recorder ... so I have enouth toys to play with ...

..and I don't wondering anyting from Black Magic.. because IT IS A "BLACK MAGIC" ....



..don't you see the differnece between really deep BLACK MAGIC
and something simple......like a new Barack Obama speech ?

In retrospect it seems hasty to have invested in accessories for the BMPC but BM advertised the shipping date and I took them at their word. It now seems open ended. It's natural to be annoyed. It doesn't show much understanding to ask what all the fuss is about. The power of hindsight hey!

So if everyone use bad language at the same time, maybe the 4K camera will come out sooner?

[Terry Frechette]

So if everyone use bad language at the same time, maybe the 4K camera will come out sooner?

Hey I'm just happy you have more warnings than me,
I decided to exclude myself from any and all, good or bad advice around here.
There is a saying about Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12192

[Terry Frechette]

Here is the forum and Topic that got me banned,
I was harsh, I was defensive and Rude, but please judge for yourself.

Before this is removed or deleted, please copy the text and save it.

Thank you!

If true (obviously it can't be veriified now) that is pretty shocking.

The whole launch of the pocket and 4k has been a disaster from what I can see. Lots of upset customers and potential customers.

Why on earth did they advertise at NAB "shipping in July" when in all likelihood it won't be 2014 until any more than a very small percentage of preorders receive their camera. I mean they only received the bloody sensors nearly two months AFTER they claimed it would be shipping! LOL

And then all the problems with the Pocket. I don't blame the beta testers, but you can't do anything but blame the beta testing process. Obviously handing out only a couple of cameras didnt stress the camera or the production process enough to show subsequent flaws for the BMCC or the Pocket so I hope they rethink for the 4K.

Do BMD never learn? Such a shame as they (eventually) get great affordable products into the hands of film makers and should be applauded for it. Such a shame that they seem hellbent on trashing their reputation in the process!!

If true (obviously it can't be veriified now) that is pretty shocking.

The whole launch of the pocket and 4k has been a disaster from what I can see. Lots of upset customers and potential customers.

Why on earth did they advertise at NAB "shipping in July" when in all likelihood it won't be 2014 until any more than a very small percentage of preorders receive their camera. I mean they only received the bloody sensors nearly two months AFTER they claimed it would be shipping! LOL

And then all the problems with the Pocket. I don't blame the beta testers, but you can't do anything but blame the beta testing process. Obviously handing out only a couple of cameras didnt stress the camera or the production process enough to show subsequent flaws for the BMCC or the Pocket so I hope they rethink for the 4K.

Do BMD never learn? Such a shame as they (eventually) get great affordable products into the hands of film makers and should be applauded for it. Such a shame that they seem hellbent on trashing their reputation in the process!!

It is not their reputation I am worried about them trashing!!!
It is the ZOMBIES that claim to be BMD Representatives that trash "US"...Disrespect "US"...
The end user and buyer of these cameras, and who spend their hard earned money supporting these cameras.

[Terry Frechette]

BM does not care what we write here on this forum ...

We can be very philosophical and have all the right ... BM but that does not matter ...

Most likely you do not read this forum top executives of BM ... here just answer the darlings of BM ...

God ... want to be professional .... but is that the same clienten already talking **** black-magic.

I have not seen another company do this. BM looks like a XXXX company or any underdeveloped country.

still does not realize that people who choose your company is people who do not have much money. trying to work with your product.

this is a modern scam. BM reserves and when he pleases you sell the XXX camera.

Now you will say that I am not educated.

this is what defines you

lack of seriousness. unprofessional. disrespect. you have no word, lack of education. lack of customer care.

BM looks like a Chinese company or any underdeveloped country.

Your comment here flatters BMD. If it was a Chinese company you would have got your cameras on time. The Chinese always delivers that is why their economy took off and why countries with lazy ass workers went bust. BMD take note. I wish BMD move their factory to China and have it made there, clearly being Oz based is not working!
look at what Kineraw is doing.

you do not know what he's talking ....

in China are effective for cheap labor ... by having the employees almost slave conditions.

why the big companies are going to China and taialndia ... why people charge too little and do many hours per week. so I also ride my company having a slave or semi-slave people.

that's not the issue. the issue is that BM does not meet the dates

you do not know what he's talking ....

in China are effective for cheap labor ... by having the employees almost slave conditions.

why the big companies are going to China and taialndia ... why people charge too little and do many hours per week. so I also ride my company having a slave or semi-slave people.

that's not the issue. the issue is that BM does not meet the dates

Not true. Work ethics has a lot to do with Chinese companies being successful. Salaries in China is higher than many countries including India and Vietnam but hi tech gadgets is still made in China. Apple recently shift some production back into the US because salaries were higher in China.

In Japan it is the Chinese workers that is keeping many gadget companies production running.

I marees

just want to know when we can have the BM 4K ...

I do not care if the Chinese or fabriques in pekin

At the Los Angeles Black Magic Design expo the rep told me that the camera would begin shipping in a few weeks. He said and I quote "Definitely by the end of August." So if their word is good we should begin seeing the camera roll out in less than 7 days. Right? Right? Right guys?

read this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12192

BM does not care what we write here on this forum ...

But I think they do care about people talking to eachother about staying away from BM as it is a company you can't rely on. The ONLY reason people are here is the promise of some kind of quality for a low price, but how soon before something else comes along?

People ask me questions about what to get, what to shoot on, what do I recommend. Well, earlier I was talking about what BM was about to release and people got interested. Now I'm recommending people to stay away from BM and solve their camera need with something else. I'm not doing it to piss BM off, I'm doing it because I can't give reliable information to people I know...
...and I have some connections.

If BM doesn't care about what customers think or say, here or otherwise, they are making a huge mistake.

The trashtalk about Red along with the fanboyism of Arri has favored the Alexa camera. But I come across a lot of projects that should have been shot in higher resolution and in raw where instead the publicity of the company choose the camera instead of the technically inexperienced production team of the production.

Publicity could kill a product and company and publicity is not what I write here, it is what I say to people in the business.

[Terry Frechette]

I am going to lock this thread. With the new camera update on the other thread, keeping this one open could cause some confusion.

Also, and you know I am going to say it, keep this civil. Insulting other forum members is not tolerated.

Terry