Support for ProRes Raw

go BLACKMAGIC talk to DJI about BRAW!
it would be a big step for BMD with BRAW if they would allow internal recording, at least for DJI.[/quote]

DJI was announcing only a 2k version of PRR. BMD could offer also a flavor of Braw, just a taste so they could maybe get the V.A. I like their camera but not the stabilizer that comes with it because it makes it very heavy and cumbersome. Maybe if I were 2.0 meters tall.

Ricardo Marty

I looked at the site, they mention a price for 1 license, nowhere does it say it is a subscription?

all of hedge-video software is a one year subsciption model

her my editready from hedge:

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of course you don't have to renew, but with that bugs
or new features (codec) won't be included!

bug of this Version 22.1 (Build 1349) on my computers (testet on different):
BRAW or proresRAW preview play for 4 sec and then you will see only a still : -(


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That is not called a "subscription model".

With a subscription model, when you stop paying, the software stops working. Like the Adobe Suite.

In this case you buy and keep the program, but have to pay for new versions. Like when you buy a camera and you can buy the newer model if you would want to, but if you don't the one you have keeps working as it has been.

That is not called a "subscription model".

With a subscription model, when you stop paying, the software stops working. Like the Adobe Suite.

In this case you buy and keep the program, but have to pay for new versions. Like when you buy a camera and you can buy the newer model if you would want to, but if you don't the one you have keeps working as it has been.

hedge and some others like avid use this model.
but it doesn't change the compulsion.
adobe is a different matter here and so my computers
have been adobe free for almost a year now.

The Canon R5 c just got prores raw with the nina v and v+. The list of cameras keeps growing, the lack of support in resolve continues...

Correct me if I am wrong:

Isn't BRAW an open-source codec? ProRes Raw is not an open-source codec, correct? Therefore, can't any camera manufacturer implement BRAW internally into their camera?

I too am looking for DaVinci to support ProRes Raw. As others have mentioned, I don't see any reason for Blackmagic, other than childish ones, for them to not support the codec. And to date, they seem to only be hurting their users and ultimately themselves in the form of market share. As ProRes Raw continues to gain traction, people will be forced to Adobe or Final Cut.

Blackmagic needs to remember how Adobe took market share from Final Cut with the initial release of Final Cut X.

If Blackmagic want DaVinci Resolve to continue to be a serious editor, then they have to support all the serious codecs out there. I need to be able to edit ProRes Raw natively and even a codec such a Z Raw. As camera codecs gain traction, editors need to be able to edit the codec given to them. If we cannot, then we have to use an editor that does.

Neither is open source.
You just have access to decoding SDK (free in both cases). BRAW is easier as it's available without any agreement.
Encoding is not public nor free for any of them.

Neither is open source.
You just have access to decoding SDK (free in both cases). BRAW is easier as it's available without any agreement.
Encoding is not public nor free for any of them.

Do decoding means take it out of camera and be able to use it in Resolve, encoding means create a prores raw file in resolve from any source? I would like to have the decoding option primarily

Decoding means able to use files in Resolve.
Encoding part is for devices not NLEs. You worry about it when you buy camera/external recorder.
Encoding doesn’t really apply to Resolve or other NLE.

Neither is open source.
You just have access to decoding SDK (free in both cases). BRAW is easier as it's available without any agreement.
Encoding is not public nor free for any of them.

Got it. Thank you.

Please include ProRes RAW already.

Everyone expected that the new Davinci 18 would arrive because of its compatibility with ProRes Raw. In Professional Mediums this year it has consolidated itself as a reference. All postproduction and production companies work with this codec. However, Davinci can never be considered as software for professional use. I hope it arrives soon for compatibility, otherwise the other programs will continue to be massified

I'm afraid I have to agree. I don't know why Apple and BM can't play ball together, but this is seriously hurting Resolve. I'm sure there are strategic and legal trouble behind the scenes into the matter, but it's an issue that has to be fixed.

I also agree. I am struggling to find a workflow that doesn't absolutely suck so I can fully utilize my camera's capabilities. When will BM step up and make this happen? FCPX's handling of RAW formats is garbage and Premiere is so unstable it's worthless. I need Resolve to work with me, not force me to work with it.

I'm afraid I have to agree. I don't know why Apple and BM can't play ball together, but this is seriously hurting Resolve. I'm sure there are strategic and legal trouble behind the scenes into the matter, but it's an issue that has to be fixed.

I don't think its apple at all. they play very well with BMDr. Its BMD and Atomos where I see the problem. If BMD adopts PRR it will be a wind fall of sales for Atomos. They and BMD are archenemies.


Ricardo Marty

Is there an official statement from BMD about ProRes RAW? I searched but didn't find one.

There isn't.

I'm afraid I have to agree. I don't know why Apple and BM can't play ball together, but this is seriously hurting Resolve. I'm sure there are strategic and legal trouble behind the scenes into the matter, but it's an issue that has to be fixed.

I don't think its apple at all. they play very well with BMDr. Its BMD and Atomos where I see the problem. If BMD adopts PRR it will be a wind fall of sales for Atomos. They and BMD are archenemies.


Ricardo Marty

Not sure about that, since Apple also has no support for BRAW in FCP.

A BMD employee has stated on this forum that they have offered to implement a BRAW plugin for FCP for free, but Apple has not responded and BMD can't do it without the FCP SDK from Apple.

This video from NAB with a direct question about support asked to Dan May from Blackmagic really tells me that ProRes Raw support will not be coming to Resolve anytime soon. It was a tap dance around saying no...but it was a no.

Neither BM is very keen to license BRAW for the camera manufactures (you have their recorders for that). At the end we are in about the same place as years ago. No ProRes export on Windows either which is huge pain (up to the point were I personally don't even care about Resolve good price).

Hear me out. I'm a Blackmagic devotee. I praise this company as the company that gives users the features they want way before others do. A company who listens to their customers.

I've owned over 12 Blackmagic cameras. I currently own three 6ks modded with PL mounts. I also exclusively use Resolve and make everyone around me use it.

That being said, I'm shooting a doc and the Sony A1 has become the camera best for that project since the autofocus is needed as it's a sports documentary.

I'm using an Atomos and the BEST I can get out of the situation is 4.3k ProRes RAW. The alternative is UHD ProRes HQ, which, by the way, looks amazing because it's sampled down from the 8k sensor. But I still would like that extra resolution more so than the RAW aspect.

Currently, I have to convert everything to CinemaDNG in order to make this work and it's SO cumbersome.

Blackmagic, can you PLEASE offer an option to at least pay more within Resolve to activate a ProRes RAW license?

I love BMRAW, but sometimes you're in a situation where you need that flexibility, and that is what your company is known for. Is it deeper than that? Am I missing something? Don't you guys have a good working relationship with Apple?

read ALL pages and understand:

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=98760

I don’t even use prores raw, but I believe it should be a supported playback format. Resolve should be first and foremost a post production tool. It is the centre of many high end grading facilities, and the reason for shooting any raw format is for grading. It shouldn’t need to be converted to an intermediate format.

Is there any reason why third parties can’t make plug-ins for codec support if BM will not?

Red raw and Arri raw are supported, but direct competition to BM cameras are not?

Is there any reason why third parties can’t make plug-ins for codec support if BM will not?

Reason is that there is no decoder plugin framework for Resolve, so third party decoder plugins can’t interface with Resolve.

A better request might be to harass Sony to output BRAW for the Video Assist.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... ideoassist

Red raw and Arri raw are supported, but direct competition to BM cameras are not?

Canon raw and NRaw are also supported. Aren't they?

Not sure why the OP felt the A1 was the only option.

Not sure why the OP felt the A1 was the only option.

Auto focus.

Sony does have the rep for being really fast and accurate on that front.

And having just looked in 18, Sony RAW is supported, so...maybe that helps?

R3 and R5C are going to have at least equal autofocus if not better. So would the Z9.

All three record raw internally.

Internal Prores raw to BRAW or CinemaDMG (with compression flavors)

What would be the point?

The point would be I can use my Ninja V+ to record raw and use a raw codec from it in resolve.

The point would be I can use my Ninja V+ to record raw and use a raw codec from it in resolve.

Then you don’t need conversion to something else but simply prores raw decoding. There are several mammoth threads about it.

And there is a third party software that converts ProResRaw to CinemaDNG already.

This will convert. https://www.assimilateinc.com/products/playpro/. Atomos had a special code a while back and I got a copy for my PC.

both the new canon r7 and r10 output raw and has the same af as the higher end Sony cameras. they are both aspc with rf mount. They said they are not crippled. The prices are a ridiculously low 1k and. 1.6 k


Ricardo Marty

+1000, it's asinine I can't use prores raw, or even convert it to BRAW in resolve. There's already people making prores to cinemaDMG converters, so it's just a matter of time until that workflow is so minimal that there's no reason for resolve to at least offer that internally.

By the way, sign the petition. https://www.change.org/p/add-prores-raw ... ci-resolve

And there is a third party software that converts ProResRaw to CinemaDNG already.

Which is $300 for a permanent license.
Resolve needs to offer something for ProRes RAW users.

The point would be I can use my Ninja V+ to record raw and use a raw codec from it in resolve.

Then you don’t need conversion to something else but simply prores raw decoding. There are several mammoth threads about it.

ProRes Raw decoding that will spit out a Raw format I can then adjust WB and ISO with in post like I can with CinemaDMG????????????

I'm not looking to downscale.

This will convert. https://www.assimilateinc.com/products/playpro/. Atomos had a special code a while back and I got a copy for my PC.

Yea, but that's $300

ProRes Raw decoding that will spit out a Raw format I can then adjust WB and ISO with in post like I can with CinemaDMG????????????

I'm not looking to downscale.

Prores raw is already raw format, which can change wb and iso in post, so what do you expect conversion to give you? You need ability to read it (decode prores raw file format), that’s all.

What has downscale got to do with any of this?

ProRes Raw decoding that will spit out a Raw format I can then adjust WB and ISO with in post like I can with CinemaDMG????????????

I'm not looking to downscale.

Prores raw is already raw format, which can change wb and iso in post, so what do you expect conversion to give you? You need ability to read it (decode prores raw file format), that’s all.

What has downscale got to do with any of this?

Lol, dude. I'm using davinci resolve, have you not heard you cannot use ProRes Raw in Davinci Resolve, you must use ProRes 4444??? Is this not making sense? I want a usable raw codec derived from ProRes raw. There's already a Prores to CinemaDMG converter in the apple app store. It converts one raw codec to another raw codec. I want it natively in Resolve.

Sorry, downscale was the wrong term. I mean use a lesser codec.

I'm trying to be as clear as I can be. Is it really not making sense?

This will convert. https://www.assimilateinc.com/products/playpro/. Atomos had a special code a while back and I got a copy for my PC.

Yea, but that's $300

If you had taken advantage of the Atomos offer it was $99

This will convert. https://www.assimilateinc.com/products/playpro/. Atomos had a special code a while back and I got a copy for my PC.

Yea, but that's $300

If you had taken advantage of the Atomos offer it was $99

Ah, that would be more fair I suppose. It just does conversions? No actual editing?

Lol, dude. I'm using davinci resolve, have you not heard you cannot use ProRes Raw in Davinci Resolve, you must use ProRes 4444??? Is this not making sense? I want a usable raw codec derived from ProRes raw. There's already a Prores to CinemaDMG converter in the apple app store. It converts one raw codec to another raw codec. I want it natively in Resolve.

Sorry, downscale was the wrong term. I mean use a lesser codec.

I'm trying to be as clear as I can be. Is it really not making sense?

Lol, have you not heard Resolve can’t convert prores raw to braw?

It doesn’t make sense because you want Resolve to be able to decode prores raw and encode it to something else and then read that ”something”, but not Resolve be able to natively read prores raw directly? Makes no sense to me why you want a cumbersome round trip instead of simple decoding support which I suggested in the firstplace. Whatever floats your boat ofcourse but to use prores raw, which you said is your wish, you need just proper prores raw decoding support in Resolve, which is easier to do than additional conversion to some other raw format anyway. Decode vs decode + encode.

Lol, are we doing circular logic here? This is the 'Feature Request' section. Meaning that things that Resolve cannot do, can be requested, so in the future (not right now) the feature can potentially exist then.

The cumbersome round trip... Ok, I must explain it to you.
1) BMD will not implement support for ProRes Raw.
2) Since they will not do this, I am asking for the next best thing, A RAW CONVERSION.

Do you understand? This is my final clarification. I don't think you're seeing the forest through the trees, instead you are looking a spec of dirt on your shoe with a magnifying glass.

You're asking for Resolve to read a File A so you can convert it to File B because Resolve can't read File A.

Do you not see the flaw there?

You can just stop at asking for Resolve to read File A. (A request which already has several entries.)

Lol, are we doing circular logic here? This is the 'Feature Request' section. Meaning that things that Resolve cannot do, can be requested, so in the future (not right now) the feature can potentially exist then.

The cumbersome round trip... Ok, I must explain it to you.
1) BMD will not implement support for ProRes Raw.
2) Since they will not do this, I am asking for the next best thing, A RAW CONVERSION.

Do you understand? This is my final clarification. I don't think you're seeing the forest through the trees, instead you are looking a spec of dirt on your shoe with a magnifying glass.

Please refrain from personal (sarcastic) attacs.

prores RAW is debated fiercely somewhere else, add to that if you like.

My take is:
1) yes i would like to decode it in the machine
2) i dont care about the WB/ISO: just extract the data and give me a LOG file.

the resolve tools are more than capable to "correct" a wrong WB/ISO.

for the reasons why this is not happening, refer to the other mammoth thread.

The cumbersome round trip... Ok, I must explain it to you.
1) BMD will not implement support for ProRes Raw.
2) Since they will not do this, I am asking for the next best thing, A RAW CONVERSION.

Do you understand? This is my final clarification. I don't think you're seeing the forest through the trees, instead you are looking a spec of dirt on your shoe with a magnifying glass.

Since BMD won’t do 1, number 2 which needs nr 1 as a basis won’t happen either. Can’t do conversion from format A to format B if can’t even decode A to begin with.

Not sure why the OP felt the A1 was the only option.

Auto focus.


And having just looked in 18, Sony RAW is supported, so...maybe that helps?

Sony RAW is for their high-end video cameras. I doubt Sony will add it to cameras like a7 any time soon.