Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

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Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostSun Jun 05, 2022 4:04 pm

Hello everyone

I've gotten myself into one of those dreadful situations, where you format the disk before making a copy of the files.

On Thursday I had a shoot with my friend where he interviewed some high-profile person for his Youtube channel. I shot on a Bmpcc 4k with freshly formatted T5 1TB SSD, and recorded around 130GBs of .braw files that day. Because of the long drive to the location and back home we decided not to go to the studio that evening to perform the backups.
Then early next morning (Friday) we had to go for a commercial shoot with a bigger crew, but I got distracted by the crew when I wanted to swap the SSD for a fresh one, and then later instructed the Cam Op to format the media.
And to make things worse, we then shot some 200GB of new footage on it. First thing back in the studio that evening, when detaching the drive from the camera is when it hit me: I forgot to swap the f* drive!

Camera used: BMPCC 4k
SSD: 1TB Samsung T5 (flawless working condition)
Format: exFAT (formatted with BMPCC 4k)
Files: .braw
Approx. size of files in need of recovery: 130GB
Formatted and (potentially) overwritten with another 200GB of .braw files.

Now my question is if anyone here had similar problems, did you try to save the data yourselves, or if you have any clue on how to proceed with this at all. I contacted some data recovery services but it's gonna take until Tuesday, because of holidays here.

The main file from the interview, that would be the priority to recover, was probably around 50GB in size, which probably makes this even worse (the file being fragmented over the SSD), correct? Is there some hope?

In need of some positive answers, but expecting the worst here...
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostSun Jun 05, 2022 9:26 pm

There are two tools I have used myself for file recovery:

https://www.isobuster.com/de/

https://www.cleverfiles.com/de/data-rec ... tware.html

It’s hard to say if you will have success to recover your files, especially very large ones.

Both tools have a try out mode.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 12:17 am

I just had a similar problem last night, also on a disk formatted in exFat. But thankfully I was able to recover all the videos.

Are you on a PC? I used DiskDigger for Windows. It is basically free if you don't mind waiting 5 seconds to recover each file (the paid version removes the 5 second wait).

https://diskdigger.org/download
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 7:08 am

But be careful with having the SSD connected to the computer because at some point the system will issue the TRIM command and start to nullify the fast-formatted areas for faster writes. Then there is nothing you can do anymore.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 7:16 am

Thank you both for suggestions!

The thing I learned meanwhile is that SSDs start performing TRIM function after some time when connected to power (basically wiping all the data that was deleted/formatted). This might already happened while using the camera for 3 hours the next day for shooting. If not at that time, then the TRIM command for sure happened when I was backing up all the footage from day 2 and left to copy over night and then left powered on and idle for the whole weekend.
And if the SSD is formatted to NTFS file system then Windows sends TRIM command basically as soon as it is connected to the PC, so the data would be gone even sooner.

To my understanding the only hope now would be for the highest-end recovery services to access the flash chip directly somehow in their clean rooms and do their magic directly from that chip. Being in Switzerland currently that ought to cost a fortune - something I'll probably not be willing to pay for a project that had costs only with 900km worth of gas and some food that day.

Going to try the pros regardless to get an estimate (if possible at all) and I'll come back with the update soon hopefully.
Cheers!
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 7:18 am

Also what Robert just explained on TRIM, thanks! :D
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 7:36 am

If the TRIM command already did it’s work, there is no hope for professional services to recover anything.
However, it is my understanding that TRIM does not work out of the box with external USB SSDs and exFAT filesystem. So that might be your only hope.

You could use the free DiskDrill to start a first probe. If it can show you some of your old files, then there is still hope.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 9:55 am

TRIM did it's work, and yes I tried Disk Drill yesterday. Told that to some Pros and they said it's considered as junk software among them, so if data is important, I suggest avoiding this type of software (Disk Drill, EaseUS, Recuva...).

On the topic of file systems... exFAT is better in theory, as Windows is only able to send TRIM command to the NTFS file systems. However, after some research I found out, that most of the SSDs can also trigger TRIM on their own when connected to power and left idle for some time, regardless of the file system.

And if somebody else has this problem in the future, first thing DISCONNECT the SSD from any power immediately (or CFAST for that matter), and if it's valuable footage, contact the pros ASAP and wait patiently for their answer.

If it's personal stuff, people on Reddit are ready to help, but it will definitely involve Linux.
With SSDs and TRIM, chances of successful recovery are minimal. To make things even worse, bigger files tend to be harder to rescue in full, and single video file can be many GBs... Good luck!

EDIT: Forgot to mention - Disk Drill only found the files currently on SSD, no deleted files were found nor anything else.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 12:58 pm

_celko wrote:TRIM did it's work, and yes I tried Disk Drill yesterday. Told that to some Pros and they said it's considered as junk software among them, so if data is important, I suggest avoiding this type of software (Disk Drill, EaseUS, Recuva...).


I'd take those quotes with a grain of salt, because if you are making a living out of data recovery you might be tempted to down speak such tools.

German computer magazine c't says in this in their final verdict on data recovery tools:
Software zur Datenrettung ist oft der letzte Ausweg, um verlorene Dateien wiederherzustellen. Eine Garantie, dass diese Wiederherstellung gelingt, gibt es gleichwohl nicht. Wenn der Grund für den Datenverlust in einem Softwarefehler oder falscher Bedienung liegt, besteht aber zumindest eine Chance, dass sich mit Spezial-Tools Dateien retten lassen. Andernfalls, insbesondere bei Beschädigung der Hardware, können allenfalls noch teure Dienstleister helfen.

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Data recovery software is often the last resort to recover lost files. Nevertheless, there is no guarantee that this recovery will succeed. However, if the reason for the data loss is a software error or incorrect operation, there is at least a chance that files can be recovered using special tools. Otherwise, especially if the hardware is damaged, expensive service providers can help at best.


_celko wrote:And if somebody else has this problem in the future, first thing DISCONNECT the SSD from any power immediately (or CFAST for that matter), and if it's valuable footage, contact the pros ASAP and wait patiently for their answer.


All good advice.

_celko wrote:If it's personal stuff, people on Reddit are ready to help, but it will definitely involve Linux.
With SSDs and TRIM, chances of successful recovery are minimal. To make things even worse, bigger files tend to be harder to rescue in full, and single video file can be many GBs... Good luck!


There are live Linux distributions including recovery tools you can download and start from a USB stick.
Years ago I successfully used one to extract files from a faulty laptop harddrive. It took almost a week to read out the files, but it worked for most of the files.

There is for example Knoppix (which was the live Linux I used back then):
http://www.knoppix.org

About Knoppix (German only):
https://www.heise.de/download/product/knoppix-35154
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 1:21 pm

Thanks for your time and additional clarification!

And yes, back in the HDD days I also got a couple of TV show footage files back after playing with different software for a week, but SSDs are a completely different beast.
But also as Raul Andres mentioned, he was fast enough, and commercial recovery software did its job just as good for him.

Going to Ontrack recovery services tomorrow, just to be 101% sure about non-recoverability.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostMon Jun 06, 2022 3:46 pm

I keep my fingers crossed for you. Viel Glück!
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostWed Jun 22, 2022 7:04 am

Update:

No luck with the files even with OnTrack recovery services... but we did manage to get a reshoot option, and boy am I glad this didn't happen on a proper commercial shoot!
Thanks again to all for help!
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostWed Jun 22, 2022 11:04 am

Great that you have the chance for a re-shoot.
And probably you've already updated your file management protocol to prevent such a thing ever happening again. :-)
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostWed Jul 24, 2024 4:16 pm

Sorry for reviving this thread, but TestDisk might've worked pretty well with that. Just adding this for future, in case there might be someone with the same problem.
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Re: Recovery of files on a formatted T5 SSD

PostThu Jul 25, 2024 9:27 am

I'd say leave this to the pros. I mean a data recovery service. It's risky doing it by yourself.
But if you must, then use SalvageData. It's free but very good.

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