Update on Camera Shipments

When recording to the so called 10-bit 422 on an external recording device through SDI (BNC), there is no audio output other than the headphone! This may need audio sync later.

The HD-SDI output features embedded digital audio. No need for separate audio connections. You can also use this for Audio monitoring.

From the look of things, USB 2.0 will be replaced with US3.0. Why would the BMCC come with USB2.0 port?

USB is used ONLY for software updates to the camera. You don't use it for anything else like file transfers. You do have a Thunderbolt port for recording, which is faster than USB 3 of course

Also in the manual, I haven't seen a place that reefers to FCPX! All I see is FCP7. I don't care for FCPX therefore I'm not worried with support for FCPX. I know Apple will not be supporting FCP7 anymore which is sad but FCP7 Still rules (in my opinion).

FCP7 is fine. It's ProRes which works great in FCP7. It works very well in FCPX too.

After all, time has been and still is going on without 2.5K RAWDNG! For the elite few who have been reviewing the camera, please don't protect BM team when you claim you do not work for them. You are in a privileged position where the majority of other customers aren't.

Please don't make claims you can't actually prove to be true.

jb

Yes, not so "brilliant" I guess?

This is an update but its just more of the same stories. Trickling, maybe, next week, in the next 1 to 2 weeks, limited shipping, glass, frustrated, etc...

Probably, those who are getting the MTF model may get theirs in June 13.

Anyway, I will give you a pass since you are inexperience camera makers. The huge mistake you guys did was to set a time frame without plan B! It feels like you may have bite what is too much to chew! Too many fires! How about hiring a PR person for starters?

I think this camera is over praised. I have been reading the manual and I have found several limiting issues.

When recording to the so called 10-bit 422 on an external recording device through SDI (BNC), there is no audio output other than the headphone! This may need audio sync later.

We are praising how good the 2.5K is. Given the amount of hard drive storage space required for RAW footage, it will not work well with event shooters. I'm sure this has been raised somewhere else but I thought I should throw it out here! I know you can shoot ProRess 422 for those with limited computer recourses, why then buy a tool that you may not need! Why respond to a mosquito bite with a hammer?

From the look of things, USB 2.0 will be replaced with US3.0. Why would the BMCC come with USB2.0 port?

The fact that the monitor does not swivel, small budget guys who may have the camera on a tripod that is taller than them, trying to get a high angle, may have it hard trying to monitor the screen. Its no wonder, Sony and the rest of experienced camera manufacturers have swivel monitors.

Also in the manual, I haven't seen a place that reefers to FCPX! All I see is FCP7. I don't care for FCPX therefore I'm not worried with support for FCPX. I know Apple will not be supporting FCP7 anymore which is sad but FCP7 Still rules (in my opinion).

What happened to the good old white card/paper for white balancing? I looks like it is just a bung of white balance presents!

Given that you cannot monitor real time audio by use of level meters, its a huge disadvantage for event shooters ie. one man guitar kind of business. It will be very cumbersome to have your camera connected to your laptop through thunderbolt when shooting uncontrolled action. The camera has been baptized "cinema camera" and this may explain some of these omissions. My believe is that BM have come up with this camera to serve low budget individuals and this includes event shooters. In fact, event shooters may be the majority people who would be buying this camera.

Remember when intensity pro card came out, BM claimed that if you have two cards installed on the same computer, you can do live switching! Later, it was withdrawn. Who knows the path to this magical "cinema camera" that is going to solve all our problems going to take?

I wish BMCC all the best and for those waiting for it enduring patience in these trying times! Our clients cannot wait any longer! Plan B for us is in place. After all, time has been and still is going on without 2.5K RAWDNG! For the elite few who have been reviewing the camera, please don't protect BM team when you claim you do not work for them. You are in a privileged position where the majority of other customers aren't.

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Jesus man, rage much? I think you may need to come to terms with your unrealistic expectations on this camera. "Come up with a plan B" like what? Have a secondary supplier of imaging chips on standby in anticipation that a manufacturer may drop the ball? Maybe on a planet where impossibly feasible plans come true. Not on earth where Black Magic is selling a camera that shoots 12 bit RAW for three grand.

Your an Event shooter, so am I. Do I plan on bringing three BMCC's to a wedding to shoot? Hell no. I have a kit for shooting events comprised of cameras that are suitable for shooting events. I have DLSR's but I shoot narrative work with those simply because "I" the owner of my own video business decides that I don't want the headache of a DSLR camera during an event where anything can happen. If you don't want the headache, don't use the camera for Events. My point is, your problems with camera are "your" problems, not Black Magic's, or anyone else. This camera is called the "Cinema Camera" I am not sure the end user was intended to be event shooters. Just as DSLR's were never "intended" to be used professionally.

You have obviously overhyped this camera. your calling it the "Magical Cinema Camera". It was never designed to fix all of your problems. Its a camera. An inanimate object. A tool. Just like a hammer can be used to drive nails. This camera can be used to shoot events. Will it pose problems other cameras wont have in that situation? sure. The only thing this camera has been "promised" to do was deliver 13 stops of dynamic range images in 12bit 4:4:4 Raw and 10bit 4:2:2 DNxHD or ProRes422 for $3000.00. Where you choose to use the damn thing is your own problem, Not Black Magics.

So they have ran into a manufacturing issue that postponed the shipping of that camera, so what. Better that then turning out thousands of defective products that will need a PR manager to deal with the fire coming from thousands of early adopters. As far as I am concerned, Black Magic is taking care of business and making sure the camera is right before they send it out to you and me. I guess that's a bad thing if you like having defective products on your shoot. I understand its difficult waiting for the camera to show up. Yes it does have some kinks that need to be ironed out. This is Black Magics first hack at producing a video camera and since many, if not all, of the production quirks are addressable with firmware updates then its a damn good one if I say so myself.

I guess you never stop being a post production engineer at heart.

Thanks for the update!

You're doing it the right way. Please never become a marketing/communications-focused company. Engineers make products they'd love to use, and want others to experience those same great products. Marketing-oriented companies make products to maximize revenue and profits, charging what the market will bear, crippling products as part of a product mix strategy, and expertly managing PR, publicity, and communications. We have plenty of those to choose from.

Only an engineer could introduce the BMCC. It would never be introduced by a company run by sales and marketing-driven MBAs.

Glad you're an engineer at heart,

Mark

Well said! Totally agree.

I'm really excited about this camera and am certainly getting one. But until B&H, Adorama or Amazon have it listed as "in stock-ready to ship", no one gets a single penny from this little black duck! If I have to wait 6 months...so be it. My money stays in my pocket until I know I'm getting a tracking number in 12 hours.

I feel bad for anyone who ponied up 6 months ago, that sucks and they have a genuine case for being ticked off. But I find it a little difficult when folks suggest that their livelihoods are being affected from paying for a product that didn't exist. Thats dumb.

+1

I'm all for Grant driving the future of Black Magic, managing communication etc....the delays make no difference to me simply because I trust Grant. Send me the camera when it is ready and I will do my best to make use of it.

For goodness sake....a Nikon 24-70mm costs around $2K and this a camera costs $3K....seriously, reckon I will buy a couple....whack a wide angle on one and a zoom on another.

The minute Black Magic becomes a marketing led company I will immediately lose interest and go find the the next 'Black Magic' to back.

Have to declare my hand and say I don't care much for marketing at the best of times, be it technology manufactures, bloggers, resellers etc.........proof is in the pudding and that is where Engineers shine !!!

What can you do. For our patience we'll get a working camera. Thanks for the update Grant.

As i calculate from parts price given in Grants post i get some 6000++ possibly
in works?

I may be mistaken but just divided 20 mil to 3000.

So now it will mostly depend on production pipeline speed and delivery speed
if everything will be rolling smoothly.

That is insane number of cameras coming out possibly by this calculation.

I just speculate as i have to be in the office on sunday

I sure wouldn't know but I doubt if each BMC = $3,000.00 in parts. My guess would be about half that (or less). I fully suspect BMD needs to cough up 10,000 BMCs ASAP. B&H has said that they have "thousands" of preorders.

I sure wouldn't know but I doubt if each BMC = $3,000.00 in parts. My guess would be about half that (or less). I fully suspect BMD needs to cough up 10,000 BMCs ASAP. B&H has said that they have "thousands" of preorders.

CVP has about 200 pre-orders from customers so my guess for the UK there is probably around 300-330 in total. This does not include orders made by the shop themselves for their off the shelf stock. I expect in the US roughly 2,000 customer pre-orders and worldwide around 4,000 but again this does not include orders made by resellers for shop stocks.

I expect in the US roughly 2,000 customer pre-orders and worldwide around 4,000

I guess at least twice that. I would imagine there are 4,000 preorders in the US alone.

I would imagine there are 4,000 preorders in the US alone.

That sounds right. I suspect there's a few agencies that ordered two or more, as well.

I expect in the US roughly 2,000 customer pre-orders and worldwide around 4,000

I guess at least twice that. I would imagine there are 4,000 preorders in the US alone.

I estimate 4,000 if you include both customers and resellers shop stocks for USA.
CVP has ordered about twice as many than needed for customer pre-orders.

I recall there were 3,500 worldwide pre-orders from customers over a month ago.

I recall there were 3,500 worldwide pre-orders from customers over a month ago.

I didn't see that figure. Where was it and who gave it? I've been pretty frustrated by the lack of quantitative information thus far.

It's really funny how the person from BMD who was cut on his shady games on this forum, tries to cover himself by giving me ban. as i said before, education, the key.

Господин Поляков! Честно говоря, ваша манера общения мне тоже представляется весьма несимпатичной. Простите... Пишу на русском языке, чтобы "не выносить сор из избы".

It's really funny how the person from BMD who was cut on his shady games on this forum, tries to cover himself by giving me ban. as i said before, education, the key.

Blah blah blah. Can we lock this thread please and start another if we are going to start with rubbish like this. If you don't want to wait, CANCEL YOUR ORDERS. It's a free world, go and buy another camera and moan about that one. Yes blackmagic could communicate a little better, but can the people who are choosing to bash the product before it is released please move on and post something on facebook instead.

Blah blah blah. Can we lock this thread please and start another if we are going to start with rubbish like this. If you don't want to wait, CANCEL YOUR ORDERS. It's a free world, go and buy another camera and moan about that one. Yes blackmagic could communicate a little better, but can the people who are choosing to bash the product before it is released please move on and post something on facebook instead.

Most of the complaints in this thread were about lack of communication, and shipment delays. Just because you decide it's okay to wait endlessly without communication from the company doesn't mean everyone else has too. Obviously they want the camera or they wouldn't be this aggravated about the delay. You said it yourself "It's a free world" but at the same time telling people where to go post. I'm sure if it's as free as you say it is, they can say whatever they want, it's there money spent, not yours.

Blah blah blah. Can we lock this thread please and start another if we are going to start with rubbish like this. If you don't want to wait, CANCEL YOUR ORDERS. It's a free world, go and buy another camera and moan about that one. Yes blackmagic could communicate a little better, but can the people who are choosing to bash the product before it is released please move on and post something on facebook instead.

Most of the complaints in this thread were about lack of communication, and shipment delays. Just because you decide it's okay to wait endlessly without communication from the company doesn't mean everyone else has too. Obviously they want the camera or they wouldn't be this aggravated about the delay. You said it yourself "It's a free world" but at the same time telling people where to go post. I'm sure if it's as free as you say it is, they can say whatever they want, it's there money spent, not yours.

Youve misunderstood or not read my comment in the correct context. Of course there isn't a problem with people asking for updates or commenting on availability. I don't think we need to read people sniping at each other and BM staff however. I also requested that people who want to bash the product should post elsewhere. I didn't say this to everyone did I?

Blah blah blah. Can we lock this thread please and start another if we are going to start with rubbish like this. If you don't want to wait, CANCEL YOUR ORDERS. It's a free world, go and buy another camera and moan about that one. Yes blackmagic could communicate a little better, but can the people who are choosing to bash the product before it is released please move on and post something on facebook instead.

Youve misunderstood or not read my comment in the correct context. Of course there isn't a problem with people asking for updates or commenting on availability. I don't think we need to read people sniping at each other and BM staff however. I also requested that people who want to bash the product should post elsewhere. I didn't say this to everyone did I?

It's possible that I misunderstood, but it could have also been my thought, and understanding, that all of the drama being displayed here in this thread, is a direct result of Blackmagic's lack of communication with the pre-order buyers, and the fact that most expected their tracking numbers sometime within the last few months that's enough for people to get anxious, and irritable. Thats what I chalk it up to.

I had trouble ordering the camera, because local dealers have started to question the outcome of this camera. Have you ever ran into a salesman that didn't want to sell to you because they were unsure they could get what they advertised?

In the end we all have the same freedom, you could have ignored the ranters, and I could have ignored you.

Now that Blackmagic has promised another update in the coming week, maybe we can all move past this and expect everyone to get their orders soon, hopefully!

Hey grant take a picture of the cameras there in the wherehouse. I would like to see that.

Thanks
Mike Pine
Extreme Media Group

Hey grant take a picture of the cameras there in the wherehouse. I would like to see that.

Thanks
Mike Pine
Extreme Media Group

With a fish-eye on the Blackmagic. And post the DNG frame.

Hey grant take a picture of the cameras there in the wherehouse. I would like to see that.

Thanks
Mike Pine
Extreme Media Group

Top people are working on it.....TOP people

LOL albertnromero
Ive had that vision for months now

Great, now finaly a promise of regular updates!
hope is flooding back!

Great, now finaly a promise of regular updates!
hope is flooding back!

Yes.

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Thanks for the update Grant.

Quite happy to hear the product is looking good and production is about to ramp back up!

How boring these forums will become when no one will have any shipping updates complaints...maybe we'll be able to actually discuss some constructive thoughts

Cheers
sean

How boring these forums will become when no one will have any shipping updates complaints...maybe we'll be able to actually discuss some constructive thoughts

What a shame that will be

How boring these forums will become when no one will have any shipping updates complaints...

Naw bro, we will be seeing all these talented "I broke the bank for my three thousand dollar camera" filmakers lighting up youtube and vimeo

Then it will be "hey can we get a firmware patch to get the camera to shoot on to usb thumbdrives? ssd's and a raw workflow are WAY more than I can afford, why'd Blacmmagic do that to us"

Naw bro, we will be seeing all these talented "I broke the bank for my three thousand dollar camera" filmakers lighting up youtube and vimeo

Or we'll be seeing all these "I enjoyed my recent blockbusters shot with my 3 Alexas but I can hardly w8 to get my uber talented hands on my $3000 camera so I can make even more money and have lots of free time to be condescending on Internet forums" types.

I knew youd be one of the first to reply.. just waiting on the other 4 or 5.

NP Teddy...glad I didn't disappoint.

Just got off the phone with B&H and said they are expecting shipments of the cameras in 2-4 weeks.. no word on the Handles though,, that's fine.. I can use the camera without the handles

Waiting for the BMCC ...

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(Looking forward to my BMCC arriving "soon" ...)

The main dealer in Spain has told me that, only in Europe there are over 60K preorders.

The main dealer in Spain has told me that, only in Europe there are over 60K preorders.

Wow! Well I hope North America gets a huge order first

100,000 to the US? No problem!

A photo of the interiors of every warehouse in the world except (possibly) the Blackmagic Design warehouse:
https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl ... d=0CEAQgxY



BMD, care to share a snapshot?

Grant, in light of the delays for the EF mount, are we still on track for a December release for the MFT mount?

Grant, in light of the delays for the EF mount, are we still on track for a December release for the MFT mount?

I seriously doubt we will get our EF mounts before December. You won't see the MFT mount for a while!

Grant, in light of the delays for the EF mount, are we still on track for a December release for the MFT mount?

I seriously doubt we will get our EF mounts before December. You won't see the MFT mount for a while!

We would have some serious issues if they deliver the MFT first before EF pre-orders.

I can kinda see them being released/shipping around the same time at the rate we're going.

The main dealer in Spain has told me that, only in Europe there are over 60K preorders.

Don't you mean 60k in euros worth of orders

Unless resellers are ordering massive quantities knowing that BMD cannot fullfil.

I still believe there are much more Canon 1Dx ordered than BMC.

Well, hopefully we can all get those little puppies by Jan/Feb.

Well, hopefully we can all get those little puppies by Jan/Feb.

Aug/Sept 2013

BH new status: "BACK-ORDERED"

Aug/Sept 2013, please don't say that.
So, lesson learned here = (do not take orders for a product that is not 100% ready to be shipped);

Well, hopefully we can all get those little puppies by Jan/Feb.

Aug/Sept 2013

very sad!

I want mine by tomorrow. 3PM. Sharp.

I hope I will get it within the next month or so :/

Still happy I've held off ordering but I hope they have the supply issue sorted by the start of the new year as I will need to be ordering mine then for the start of possibly the biggest project of our little companies career.