New BM Product Announcement on 9-14-23

For viewers in the UK, yes, that was the same gas station you saw for years on Channel 4

Wow, it has a Super 16 crop:

2112 x 1184 (Super 16 16:9) up to 100 fps

If John Brawley happens to see, or anyone else happens to know, what's this slider?

https://images.blackmagicdesign.com/ima ... 1694594844

I'm highly committed to the idea it seems to be running on an old ladder! MYT?

The only thing that bump me out is that the P6K FF does not support CFast. CF is fine but I got a lot of Anglebird CFast 1Tb cards. How about SSD?

What is the rolling shutter time? 27ms in full frame? Or lower?

The only thing that bump me out is that the P6K FF does not support CFast. CF is fine but I got a lot of Anglebird CFast 1Tb cards. How about SSD?

SSDs are supported.

The Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6k has time code built in!

"Timecode Clock
Highly accurate timecode clock. Less than 1 frame drift every 8 hours."

Don’t see the camera app in the App Store. Did they mention anywhere when it’s going to be available?

I think the cloud and iPhone app are the most exciting news. As a wedding videographer, I can see benefits for hired videographers with iPhones uploading to BM Cloud in realtime in with multicam footages timeline sync'd automatically, with an additional opportunity to engage the guests to use their iPhones to have additional angles and footages, turning what has been a problem of people getting in the way, interfering with the work of hired videographers into new, usable angles, contributing to the product..if you could get them to use the app.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/blackmagi ... 6449580241

Don’t see the camera app in the App Store. Did they mention anywhere when it’s going to be available?

Great update, lots of cool stuff. I think footage out of the new camera looked great, but I'm relieved it's not a replacement for the 12k OLPF I've barely had a chance to use.

Can’t wait to see the dynamic range of that.

It says 13 stops.

Interesting and incredibly cheap.

But seriously no specs on lattitude, rolling shutter were given. No autofocus, but L-Mount, no words about it, total silence and a 20mins on blackmagic clouds and too little info on a "high end cinema camera"

Still have to wait, I'm happy but also a bit on my guard as too little has been spoke.

Lack of prores is a huge, huge, huge miss from client who have their own post house that I know and work with.

Let's wait then..

eh, went from pushing the market to playing catch up cine camera-wise...

all the software and live production gear looks great though

John,

I am not sure what you can discuss or not. But if it is not crossing over the line, what can you tell us about the full frame sensor? Is it a BM design like the 12K?

Thanks in advance.

Can’t wait to see the dynamic range of that.

It says 13 stops.

Hmmm. Maybe this time CineD will agree with that as they document usable stops. I need to start reading more about the BMPCC6K FLX.

Interesting and incredibly cheap.

But seriously no specs on lattitude, rolling shutter were given. No autofocus, but L-Mount, no words about it, total silence and a 20mins on blackmagic clouds and too little info on a "high end cinema camera"

Still have to wait, I'm happy but also a bit on my guard as too little has been spoke.

Lack of prores is a huge, huge, huge miss from client who have their own post house that I know and work with.

Let's wait then..

And no ND.

Communication is a bit strange on this one. More on the camera cloud features than about IQ and practical features.

Great presentation
As to dynamic range, the specs on BMD site say 13 stops and the table shows 13.5
I hope folks noticed that it was sunny outside their windows (so much for middle of the night)
Can't satisfy all, but I hope folks realize BMD must be listening because look at all the boxes from suggestions they checked.
....and people got their box cam too.
so, when will B&H have the new 6K camera and mount adapters?

I'm looking at the specs. It seems like the resolution of the Cinema Camera 6k at 2.41 is 6048 x 2520, where as it is 6144 x 2560 on the Pocket 6K Pro.

Hey everyone,

I have had the incredible opportunity to get my hands on the new Cinema Camera 6K before its release and in this video I share my first impressions and experience with it, what this camera is and why I am personally very excited by this new release.
And I show some footage I captured of the past few days.

If anyone is interested here is the link

Cheers,
Flo

I’m so used to internal NDs… and I need to know the rolling shutter!

It’s an encouraging camera release, for sure.

Interesting and incredibly cheap.

But seriously no specs on lattitude, rolling shutter were given. No autofocus, but L-Mount, no words about it, total silence and a 20mins on blackmagic clouds and too little info on a "high end cinema camera"

Still have to wait, I'm happy but also a bit on my guard as too little has been spoke.

Lack of prores is a huge, huge, huge miss from client who have their own post house that I know and work with.

Let's wait then..

And no ND.

Communication is a bit strange on this one. More on the camera cloud features than about IQ and practical features.

This camera is a upgraded Pocket 6K G2 with Full frame with OLPF. It's not a upgraded Pocket 6K Pro.

I perfer it like this anyway.

I usually subtract a stop from whatever is billed on the marketing (unless it's ARRI, I guess).

BM are rating it at 13.5 across the low base ISO range and 12.2 to 10.6 across the high end.

Compared to the chart they released for the original Pocket 6K it looks like at ISO 400 the highlight performance is the same in the highlights and a fraction more in the shadows. ISO 3200 has much more substantial difference, with more than a stop of extra highlight performance and a stop less in the shadows.

I'd be interested what the noise performance is like on this thing, but I guess we'll start seeing those tests in time. Generally though I do agree it feels like BM are playing catch up (albeit with some great, and obvious, moves) and this feels like something of a half step towards something that'll blow the doors off.

Would I buy this? I dunno. I'm interested, and BM are nicely capitalising on what's trending for filmmakers at the moment (anamorphics, full frame open gate) that you can't get from the likes of Sony, but there are a few things about this I'm iffy on and might be better served sitting on my hands for a while to see what shakes out in a second generation product.

It’s great to see BM moving forward with the new lens mount and also quite encouraging they are sticking with the design layout so some of the accessories are cross compatible, but at the same time what is the battery life going to be like with a larger sensor, they are barely good enough for the 6K Pro.

Also the emission of ProRes is a killer for me, shooting BM raw in 6k to make use of the full sensor just means the files are massive all of the time which often isn’t needed for corporate work.

Really gutted about no progression with any type of autofocus either.

I still have the original UM 4.6k as well at the Pocket 6K Pro and hands down the UM 4.6k is a miles better image. I know the new FF 6k sensor will have a wonderful look but is still only marketed as 13 stops dynamic range. Would I really see a benefit in image compared to that lovely 4.6k sensor, I very much doubt and you would be sacrificing all the usability etc.

Sad to say it I think my time with BM will be coming to an end the next time I have have money to invest, yeah the 12k sensor looks amazing but for me it’s still not offering a package which is different enough to my original UM, the only thing I would love on that camera is built in ND’s and some higher frame rates ohh and maybe the new colour science, otherwise I am still super happy with that nearly 8year old camera.

Thank you, Flo. I agree that the lack of internal IRND filters is not a dealbreaker for me, but understand it might be for others. Perhaps one day a future version will include that feature.

Great presentation
As to dynamic range, the specs on BMD site say 13 stops and the table shows 13.5
I hope folks noticed that it was sunny outside their windows (so much for middle of the night)

In this wide shot you can see that the outside is just a big print like with late night shows:

The left window background is a bit curled in the upper part.

Also the clock on his Mac was at 3

as to internal NDs... take a good look at the full frame sensor in the L-mount. Do you really think there is room? (remember the issues of the 6K NDs.) If you want built in NDs, get an URSA.

The switch to a more flexible mount and the OLPF are great, but the loss of internal NDs and 6K 50fps is too much for me. I do hope that this is a step in the right direction, though, and whatever BMD comes up with next will be a no-compromise upgrade to the 6K Pro.

That being said, within the right workflow I can absolutely see this camera as a fantastic tool, provided the dynamic range and rolling shutter are decent.

Good eye Robert.

as to internal NDs... take a good look at the full frame sensor in the L-mount. Do you really think there is room? (remember the issues of the 6K NDs.) If you want built in NDs, get an URSA.

If I can chunk 40% of my ursa lenght, have a FF sensor, mirrorless mount, internal ND for less than 10K and have good DR, dual ISO and a very good rolling shutter (love the one on the G2), then hell yeah.


Okay little update on the Pocket 6K G2, I'll wait for the Cinema 6K Pro & the URSA MK3 then.
Internal ND and it would have been an instant "buy"

James agree that the original URSA Mini 4.6K shooting uncompressed CinemaDNG produces a lovely image in Resolve. I have stopped shooting ProRes as I feel CDNG is the better image in terms of colour. But my clients don’t require ProRes unlike others here. So the BMPCC6K FLX (or whatever we end up calling it) looks very appealing to me.

as to internal NDs... take a good look at the full frame sensor in the L-mount. Do you really think there is room? (remember the issues of the 6K NDs.) If you want built in NDs, get an URSA.

The Canon C70 has the same flange distance and it has ND filters. Would have to be a taller camera I guess, so the filters can move out of the way.

There is room for ND filters on the lens adapters, like Canon. does with the RF/EF adapter.

Interesting. Are there any L/EF adapters with built in ND's that are considered high quality? My experience with screw-on variable ND's has been pretty bad.

... Lack of prores is a huge, huge, huge miss from client who have their own post house that I know and work with.

On a related note, the new Cinema Camera 6K's lack of live 4K video out from the HDMI port (same as the previous Pocket cams) kinda boggles my mind. 4K out to a Blackmagic Video Assist recording ProRes would be a good solution for many users. I don't get why it's not a feature of the new cinema camera.

I like everything I've heard so far about the new Cinema Camera 6K camera, except for its lack of 4K HDMI output. Won't be a deal-breaker for many, but ... sigh.

It’s great to see BM moving forward with the new lens mount and also quite encouraging they are sticking with the design layout so some of the accessories are cross compatible, but at the same time what is the battery life going to be like with a larger sensor, they are barely good enough for the 6K Pro.

Also the emission of ProRes is a killer for me, shooting BM raw in 6k to make use of the full sensor just means the files are massive all of the time which often isn’t needed for corporate work.

Really gutted about no progression with any type of autofocus either.

I still have the original UM 4.6k as well at the Pocket 6K Pro and hands down the UM 4.6k is a miles better image. I know the new FF 6k sensor will have a wonderful look but is still only marketed as 13 stops dynamic range. Would I really see a benefit in image compared to that lovely 4.6k sensor, I very much doubt and you would be sacrificing all the usability etc.

Sad to say it I think my time with BM will be coming to an end the next time I have have money to invest, yeah the 12k sensor looks amazing but for me it’s still not offering a package which is different enough to my original UM, the only thing I would love on that camera is built in ND’s and some higher frame rates ohh and maybe the new colour science, otherwise I am still super happy with that nearly 8year old camera.

My thoughts exactly. This update is for pocket owners, not Ursa owners. Sadly, I'll be jumping ship too next time around.

Anyone tried the sample BRAW files in Resolve? For some reason Resolve doesn't see them and the Blackmagic Player can't play them here.

So the BMPCC6K FLX (or whatever we end up calling it) looks very appealing to me.

They dropped the Pocket designation, so I guess it's the BMCC6K.

When Grant said "high end cinema camera" I thought for sure it would have SDI out. I can live with HDMI but it's a shame it's missing ND filters.

Anyone tried the sample BRAW files in Resolve? For some reason Resolve doesn't see them and the Blackmagic Player can't play them here.

Did you update Resolve? You need Resolve 18.6.

Anyone tried the sample BRAW files in Resolve? For some reason Resolve doesn't see them and the Blackmagic Player can't play them here.

Did you update Resolve? You need Resolve 18.6.

Ah, thanks Roger!

So the BMPCC6K FLX (or whatever we end up calling it) looks very appealing to me.

They dropped the Pocket designation, so I guess it's the BMCC6K.

When Grant said "high end cinema camera" I thought for sure it would have SDI out. I can live with HDMI but it's a shame it's missing ND filters.

Neither the original Cinema Camera or the Production Cinema Camera had ND filters. People are complaining about the lack of ND filters when the ND filters in the Pocket 6K Pro weren't that good in the first place. And they jammed alot in the camera.

Roger, thanks for catching my error. BMCC6K sounds “short and sweet.”

Hey everyone,

I have had the incredible opportunity to get my hands on the new Cinema Camera 6K before its release and in this video I share my first impressions and experience with it, what this camera is and why I am personally very excited by this new release.
And I show some footage I captured of the past few days.

If anyone is interested here is the link

Cheers,
Flo

Thanks so much for sharing!

I don't remember them mentioning the 18.6 Resolve update at all.

A lot of interesting products. Thanks BMD

Depending of work some products are more attractives ! For live, 80X80 videohub and new panels may answer large needs. But prices stay high (may be also exchange rate dollar to euro)

The new microstudio camera seems nice and more compatible with my wallet ! Illustrative picture leave me puzzled with cams in front of drums... How to keep still with thunderstruck from AC/DC

Interesting developments, but none of these are instant buys for us.

The new camera especially; the new sensor is intriguing, but our clients won't see the difference, and we are definitely not going back to the days of needing to carry around NDs /IR filters. Plus yet another media format... No thanks.

To be fair, it is a proper cinema camera for indie stuff / B cam , and for that use, it looks great.

Better luck next year.

Interesting developments, but none of these are instant buys for us.

The new camera especially; the new sensor is intriguing, but our clients won't see the difference, and we are definitely not going back to the days of needing to carry around NDs /IR filters. Plus yet another media format... No thanks.

To be fair, it is a proper cinema camera for indie stuff / B cam , and for that use, it looks great.

Better luck next year.

It has an OLPF built in. You wouldn't need a IR filter.

Interesting developments, but none of these are instant buys for us.

The new camera especially; the new sensor is intriguing, but our clients won't see the difference, and we are definitely not going back to the days of needing to carry around NDs /IR filters. Plus yet another media format... No thanks.

To be fair, it is a proper cinema camera for indie stuff / B cam , and for that use, it looks great.

Better luck next year.

It has an OLPF built in. You wouldn't need a IR filter.

That depends entirely on how good the IR rejection of their OLPF is. Given BMD's track record... maybe wait until people have these in hand.

I think with the NISI 1-5 stops vnd this might be even more versatile than what’s in the pocket right now. I do really wonder how this stacks up against the Panasonic S5 II x which seems to be able to do all the same things minus the xlrs but with an included evf, ibis and autofocus for a few hundred euros less.

Sean, IQ may be a discerning factor in any comparison.

Looking at the footage I must say it looks very nice, Knowing BM they will probably release this in an URSA style body with ND's and maybe faster readouts in the near future, with proper swappable lens mounts and decent battery solutions then that would defiantly tempt me.