Resolve Live Replay with 2ME or 8K

I'm currently looking into the live replay feature of Resolve.
All demos are made with the Atem Mini line of products.
That seems to work great but we don't like the image quality of what they produce and also do not work in a one man show setup.

So our setup would be

Live edit with a 2ME or 8K Atem
Recording with smb from multiple Hyperdeck to a NAS
Edit replay with Resolve from NAS
One doing the live edit, the other prepairing the replay

Question:
Is it possible to control and send image trough network to a ATEM just like to the mini or does the recorded footage need to come from a mini to work like in the demo?

Or would you use it standalone and output the replay trough a sdi card on the resolve computer to a ATEM input and let the live editor start the reply trough a Streamdeck on the Resolve computer (if that feature exists yet. Did not check yet the Streamdeck comands)

I'm currently looking into the live replay feature of Resolve.
All demos are made with the Atem Mini line of products.
That seems to work great but we don't like the image quality of what they produce and also do not work in a one man show setup.

So our setup would be

Live edit with a 2ME or 8K Atem
Recording with smb from multiple Hyperdeck to a NAS
Edit replay with Resolve from NAS
One doing the live edit, the other prepairing the replay

Question:
Is it possible to control and send image trough network to a ATEM just like to the mini or does the recorded footage need to come from a mini to work like in the demo?

Or would you use it standalone and output the replay trough a sdi card on the resolve computer to a ATEM input and let the live editor start the reply trough a Streamdeck on the Resolve computer (if that feature exists yet. Did not check yet the Streamdeck comands)

I think in all cases you need to use either HDMI or SDI (*)output from Resolve for your replays - the Resolve Live replay workflow doesn't send video to Atem Minis or other switcher/mixers via the network (*) - only as live-replayed SDI or HDMI video from a suitable output solution. (Anything from a Thunderbolt Ultrastudio / PCI-E Decklink Mini Monitor 3G upwards?). There is no network live video source (like NDI, SRT etc.) functionality on any Atem - Minis or otherwise currently?

Where the Atem Mini Pro ISOs come in to play is that their recordings can be used as replay sources, with Resolve using the Atem Mini Pro ISO's recordings as their file sources over the network, but in your case you are replacing these with Hyperdeck recordings instead.

(*) You could use a Decklink with ST.2110 networked baseband video output instead of HDMI/SDI - and an ST.2110 to HDMI/SDI converter for your Atem switcher - but this isn't going to be received directly via any current Atem.

Thank you for your reply.
I was thinking that when you press "run" on on resolve replay it would also put it on program on the Atem Mini Iso as they are connected.
But it seems the iso can't play the recorded videos for replay by him self.

So I'll have to check if there are any Streamdeck "Resolve Replay" functions available yet or how the command line would need to be so the live editor can play and set the replay to the program.
I'll play around a bit

When demoing the replay features, it looked like Grant had key+fill connections to the Atem which were permanently cut to air on a DSK - then when the replay was started it would take over the programme output, rather than needing someone to switch the source on the Atem itself. From looking at the pages about the Replay feature, this requires a suitable DeckLink or Ultrastudio output device which supports key+fill signals.

Thank you for your reply.
I was thinking that when you press "run" on on resolve replay it would also put it on program on the Atem Mini Iso as they are connected.
But it seems the iso can't play the recorded videos for replay by him self.

So I'll have to check if there are any Streamdeck "Resolve Replay" functions available yet or how the command line would need to be so the live editor can play and set the replay to the program.
I'll play around a bit

I think we're at crossed purposes. To do what you want to do there are two things needed :

1. To replay the recorded video on demand and output it to your Atem.
This requires that the computer running Resolve handling replay has a video output solution - like the new BMD Media Player 10G, a Decklink or an Ultrastudio. This is what gets the replayed pictures out of Resolve and into your Atem so it can get them on-air. The Atem isn't playing the recordings it made itself under the control of Resolve - it's cutting to them whilst they are playing out from an output card or box connected to the PC running Resolve, and that output solution is connected to an HDMI or SDI input (or inputs - see below) on the Atem to get it on-air on the Atem.

2. To get the replay to appear on-air when you start the replay in Resolve.
This either requires that you get the Atem to cut the Resolve replay source to air as you start the playback (I don't know if Companion+Streamdeck integration exists with Resolve to let you start replays from a Streamdeck) - but in the demo videos that's not what Grant was doing.
He was using the additional Key+Fill functionality that they've added in Resolve replay that lets the output of your Resolve source be a dual Key and Fill output source that can be permanently (or on demand) keyed over your live sources on a DSK or an upstream key, and Resolve will key itself over whatever is on the PGM row output (optionally using a key+fill stinger in your Resolve library to transition to and from the replay)

For Key and Fill output you need something like a the new BlackMagic Media Player 10G, UltraStudio HD Mini or 4K Mini with dual SDI Key + Fill outputs (the Key signal controls whether the output of Resolve or the background video cut up on the Atem PGM bus is seen on-air) connected via TB3/4, or a dual output (or better) Decklink card in a PCI-E slot.

If you’ve not come across key signals before, think of them as a video signal containing an Alpha Channel for the Fill signal (which would be your replayed video)

Thank you for your reply.
I was thinking that when you press "run" on on resolve replay it would also put it on program on the Atem Mini Iso as they are connected.
But it seems the iso can't play the recorded videos for replay by him self.

So I'll have to check if there are any Streamdeck "Resolve Replay" functions available yet or how the command line would need to be so the live editor can play and set the replay to the program.
I'll play around a bit

I think we're at crossed purposes. To do what you want to do there are two things needed :

1. To replay the recorded video on demand and output it to your Atem.
This requires that the computer running Resolve handling replay has a video output solution - like the new BMD Media Player 10G, a Decklink or an Ultrastudio. This is what gets the replayed pictures out of Resolve and into your Atem so it can get them on-air. The Atem isn't playing the recordings it made itself under the control of Resolve - it's cutting to them whilst they are playing out from an output card or box connected to the PC running Resolve, and that output solution is connected to an HDMI or SDI input (or inputs - see below) on the Atem to get it on-air on the Atem.

2. To get the replay to appear on-air when you start the replay in Resolve.
This either requires that you get the Atem to cut the Resolve replay source to air as you start the playback (I don't know if Companion+Streamdeck integration exists with Resolve to let you start replays from a Streamdeck) - but in the demo videos that's not what Grant was doing.
He was using the additional Key+Fill functionality that they've added in Resolve replay that lets the output of your Resolve source be a dual Key and Fill output source that can be permanently (or on demand) keyed over your live sources on a DSK or an upstream key, and Resolve will key itself over whatever is on the PGM row output (optionally using a key+fill stinger in your Resolve library to transition to and from the replay)

For Key and Fill output you need something like a the new BlackMagic Media Player 10G, UltraStudio HD Mini or 4K Mini with dual SDI Key + Fill outputs (the Key signal controls whether the output of Resolve or the background video cut up on the Atem PGM bus is seen on-air) connected via TB3/4, or a dual output (or better) Decklink card in a PCI-E slot.

If you’ve not come across key signals before, think of them as a video signal containing an Alpha Channel for the Fill signal (which would be your replayed video)

I'm having issues with my Key and Fill not taking over the program fully when i hit run. when following the video from 1sourcemedia on youtube, i set the DSK to on air, but when i click run in Resolve i get the graphic to play but i can still see the program camera under the replay. So lets say camera one is live, i hit run on the replay both 7 and 8 (key and fill) go live all while camera 1 is still live and its a clustered mess of video streams

Thanks for those details, anyone knows if the Decklink card can output the key + fill back to the ATEM Extreme or does it required the Ultrastudio 4k anyhow in between?

EDIT: I have found that in the following video that the Decklink card can definitively output the key + fill, now I have to check/find how to configure in DR, unless someone is faster than me here!

[Gary Adams]

Only the Ultrastudio 4K Mini and the upcoming Media Player 10G are supported with key and fill in Replay. I hope this helps.

Gary

Only the Ultrastudio 4K Mini and the upcoming Media Player 10G are supported with key and fill in Replay. I hope this helps.

Gary

Too bad, but thank you Gary for the information

I'm having issues with my Key and Fill not taking over the program fully when i hit run. when following the video from 1sourcemedia on youtube, i set the DSK to on air, but when i click run in Resolve i get the graphic to play but i can still see the program camera under the replay. So lets say camera one is live, i hit run on the replay both 7 and 8 (key and fill) go live all while camera 1 is still live and its a clustered mess of video streams

That sounds like your DSK isn't configured correctly in terms of keying levels i.e. clip and gain. If the key is transparent rather than opaque then I suspect you need to look at your gain. How have you set your keyer levels?

To control and send footage to an ATEM switcher, Resolve's replay feature should work similarly over a network, even without using the Mini series. You could also go standalone, sending replays via SDI from Resolve to the ATEM input. Using a Streamdeck to trigger the replays from Resolve is a possible option if it's supported by the commands available.

To control and send footage to an ATEM switcher, Resolve's replay feature should work similarly over a network, even without using the Mini series.

Yes - the only reason a Mini Pro ISO is useful is that it's ISO recording its inputs so you get clean source recordings for the Resolve Replay media pool without using additional Hyperdecks to record.

However you need something to record the media (Atem Mini Pro/Pro ISO, Hyperdeck etc.) and something to replay it via HDMI/SDI (Ultrastudio 4K Mini or the new Media Player 10G)

There's no way of sending live replay video to an Atem (Mini or otherwise) over the network (unless you are using some kind of 2110 set-up)

Only the Ultrastudio 4K Mini and the upcoming Media Player 10G are supported with key and fill in Replay. I hope this helps.

Gary

Are we awaiting a software update on the Ultrastudio 4k mini? Greg mentions in the press release video that he uses an updates model, and mine isnt working correctly.

*edit; current version of Desktop Video is 14.2, yet support for replay was added in 12.9.

I'm having issues with my Key and Fill not taking over the program fully when i hit run. when following the video from 1sourcemedia on youtube, i set the DSK to on air, but when i click run in Resolve i get the graphic to play but i can still see the program camera under the replay. So lets say camera one is live, i hit run on the replay both 7 and 8 (key and fill) go live all while camera 1 is still live and its a clustered mess of video streams

I'm also having this issue.

[Gary Adams]

The UltraStudio 4K Mini should work with fill and key up to 6G rates. UHD at 50-60 doesn't support key in that unit which is why we are developing the Media Player 10G among other reasons. So unless you are working at hi P UHD rates, it should work fine. The easiest way to set up the ATEM is using the DSK with Pre Multiplied checked, otherwise, it will require some adjustment if clip and gain to key correctly. Also note the former "Broadcast Mode" setting has reached it's final resting place in Resolve 19. It is called "Mute Replay Hardware SDI Outputs" and is the Replay Handling menu. I hope this helps.

Gary

I got it to work. I'm not sure what setting I changed, but I can now see the Key to be black when off air, and changed to white when I start the replay, resulting in a correct replay Downstream Key, instead of the Ultrastudio outputting two identical images of the camera feed. Also, the pre-multiplied option generates a correct key effect, so that also work correct.

Two questions remain;

1. Currently, my options for slow-motion and 'cue'ing' are greyed out. Is this because of the fact that I'm using an ATEM SDI Extreme ISO, instead of Hyperdecks? In other words, is slow motion only supported on the Cloud Store/Hyperdeck combo?

2. On page 508 the DaVinci Resolve manual states the following:

"Please see the dedicated DaVinci Resolve Replay Editor Instruction Manual for more information."

Where can this manual be found? I can't seem to locate anywhere.

1. Currently, my options for slow-motion and 'cue'ing' are greyed out. Is this because of the fact that I'm using an ATEM SDI Extreme ISO, instead of Hyperdecks? In other words, is slow motion only supported on the Cloud Store/Hyperdeck combo?

The ATEMs record in h.264 LongGOP (where groups of frames are encoded together not individually) - the Hyperdecks can record additionally in ProRes and DNX which are Intra - where every frame is encoded separately and standalone. It may be that Resolve Replay only supports slow motion for Intra codecs? Or it may be something else.

In this video you can see the guy use the speed slider on the control panel, which makes me think the control panel is required to do this maybe?

I am unable to find the "Resolve Replay Editor Instruction Manual" Anyone find it, or the rough draft to the manual?

I too would very much like to find the "Resolve Replay Editor Instruction Manual". I received my Replay Editor last week but without the manual I am finding it quite difficult to make use of fully.

BMD told me at IBC the manual should come sometime this week.