Introducing Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

Dear Christine,

Is your company aware of how frustrated European customers are? Is BM adopting any strategy in this respect? Please, tell your boss how bad we feel

I cancelled my order and pre-ordered both cameras. Hope you put more effort in order to improve distribution in Europe.

Best,
Pablo Ballester

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I can't believe it... the pocket camera with MFT and the 4K flagship camera with the EF mount... WHY?????? I want to cry... And when a 4:3 film mode????

MFT lenses will not cover the Super35 sensor.

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I can't believe it... the pocket camera with MFT and the 4K flagship camera with the EF mount... WHY?????? I want to cry... And when a 4:3 film mode????

MFT lenses will not cover the Super35 sensor.

you are right, sorry!... I only use MFT mounts with my PL set, thats why I am frustrated. I hate EF mount, I hate electronic diaphragm... I think the right mount for a pro cinema camera is PL. I will pay 500-600 bugs more for that mount. Thanks for the correction Kenny

I think the right mount for a pro cinema camera is PL. I will pay 500-600 bugs more for that mount.

That's a lot of bugs!

Fantastic news! All the specs sound great: very realistic, very reasonable. We finally will have 4K for $4k! Let me know if you need a real world beta tester other than Brawley, Bloom or Solario.

JB reckons the BMPC 4K may only have ProRes and no RAW when released. If that is the case then it should be release quite soon with some missing feature that will be added later via firmware. If it is going to be delayed like the BMC then it makes no sense if RAW option is delayed beyond 6 months.

Is there a crop shooting 1080p? How much this crop factor would be? I have already ordered the camera, but I am not sure if I will be shooting all of my productions in 4K.

Is there a crop shooting 1080p? How much this crop factor would be? I have already ordered the camera, but I am not sure if I will be shooting all of my productions in 4K.

I believe the 1080P mode will not crop the sensor, but rather use the entire sensor to generate a 1080P image. That's what the 2.5k model does.

I wouldn't sweat it, these 2 new cameras are a different breed and in no way make the 2.5k version 1 obsolete.

You wanna bet?

"Im youre huckleberry"

Just how is the camera that was super-licious 24 hours ago going to become obsolete now!?
The bmcc was "near Alexa" qualiy yesterday, but now, what, thats not good enough?

With all the quirks our bmcc has, it does do one thing really well; it makes our company money by providing a quality image. Not to mention the ROI is insane.

Cant wait to cash in on the post-apocalypse sell off as people run to the new cam... Chasing paper specs.

I just hope the mfts are still coming because im not down with the iphone 6 BMD is about to start selling.

I wouldn't sweat it, these 2 new cameras are a different breed and in no way make the 2.5k version 1 obsolete.

You wanna bet?

"Im youre huckleberry"

Just how is the camera that was super-licious 24 hours ago going to become obsolete now!?
The bmcc was "near Alexa" qualiy yesterday, but now, what, thats not good enough?

With all the quirks our bmcc has, it does do one thing really well; it makes our company money by providing a quality image. Not to mention the ROI is insane.

Cant wait to cash in on the post-apocalypse sell off as people run to the new cam... Chasing paper specs.

I just hope the mfts are still coming because im not down with the iphone 6 BMD is about to start selling.

same feelings dude

This is the biggest slap in the face I've ever received from a company that wasn't a bank. My BMDCC 2.5k just arrived a week ago and now the 4k. Speechless...

Is there an upgrade path? I waited 8 months for the first one now its outdated in 1 month :-/

Yes. Please help the people you just slapped in the face.

Yes. Please help the people you just slapped in the face.

I give up

Yes. Please help the people you just slapped in the face.

I give up

So glad to hear.

My camera is less than a week old. Now a camera from the same company has a camera for only a $1000 more and is 4k and 35mm sensor and will be ready to ship in less than 3 months. One stop isn't worth a grand to me. I've never had such buyers remorse.

Just curious whats wrong with your new camera to cause buyers remorse?

Sell it, there are people still waiting in line for the v1...

Just curious whats wrong with your new camera to cause buyers remorse?

Sell it, there are people still waiting in line for the v1...

I believe my previous post sums up my comments. Simply reread it.

BetaEcho,
What company doesn't have a 30 day return policy? Return it! You invested in a company to get it where it is today, how is that a slap in the face? They are killing the competition.

How can you have buyer's remorse based on specs? I haven't seen a single image from the two new cameras yet-they might be brilliant or they might be a dog's dinner. Plus they're not even out until July (and we all know what happened last time).

Wow. People are truly never happy. Customers asked for an S35 chip, Blackmagic delivered, customers response "well, I didn't want it now". Hey customers, guess what? It's not about you. Stop trying to hold this company accountable for your unhappiness. What is it you can't do with what you have now? What project is so pressing that if you don't deliver it with the latest tech you've somehow failed. I'm sure Blackmagic is doing their best to keep up with your requests as well as fulfill their backorder hell. Give it a rest. And Blackmagic, get it right and release it, as you're to blame as well for making promises you can't keep. Customers, you have other options, stop acting like this camera is your savior, because their are way more talented DP's out there making a name for themselves with what they have, instead of blaming what they don't have for what they couldn't be.

stop acting like this camera is your savior

Thank you!
And please stop acting like youve been cheated by BMD somehow.

I can't wait to collect the whole set!

still even the 2k BMC is not available! When will be the 2K Camera available?

still even the 2k BMC is not available! When will be the 2K Camera available?

I heard rumor that the 2k may be in hiatus while they begin producing the 2.75k model, code named Drama Queen. That way both 4k and 2.5k adopters can feel equally hosed... the only happy people are those with the pocket camera, which I would have bought except I dont have any pockets. BMD should include pockets when they sell a pocket camera. I mean come on. Sell the complete package for jiminey sakes!!

GREAT CAMERA !!! And even better Price-tag !!! Still some Feedback and Need for improvement:

Why is 'real' 2k/4k resolution not supported, at least horizontally (2048 / 4096) ?

It's great to support EF-Mount, but is there a chance to get closer with the lens to the mounting (or would the mount be detachable) ? I'm using lots of Canon FD Lenses and have build an optical viewfinder with Nex and EOS-M, I also love the Metabones Speed Booster. It would be grat to have the chance to exchange the mount close to the sensor, also I like the EF-M mount which is electrically compatible to standard EF mount and using the adapter available from Canon. If there is a fixed mount, would your mechanical constraction allow modding?

Btw, is there a pre-order list, will buy one anyway !!!

Is there an upgrade path? I waited 8 months for the first one now its outdated in 1 month :-/

+1 for an upgrade path!!!

I would gladly pay $1000 and send our camera in for a sensor upgrade as we did from Red One to MX

Same here!

I wouldn't sweat it, these 2 new cameras are a different breed and in no way make the 2.5k version 1 obsolete.

You wanna bet?

"Im youre huckleberry"

Just how is the camera that was super-licious 24 hours ago going to become obsolete now!?
The bmcc was "near Alexa" qualiy yesterday, but now, what, thats not good enough?

With all the quirks our bmcc has, it does do one thing really well; it makes our company money by providing a quality image. Not to mention the ROI is insane.

Cant wait to cash in on the post-apocalypse sell off as people run to the new cam... Chasing paper specs.

I just hope the mfts are still coming because im not down with the iphone 6 BMD is about to start selling.

The rolling shutter absolutely killed it for me being the "A" camera. Even contemplated buying the D16 because what needed is global shutter. Rolling shutter suffers not only in panning jello but motion jitters making movement look like cheap video. Global shutter I can even use without too much dependent on expensive rigs and save time. Its a no brainer.

Is it possible the BMCC 2.5K gets an Firmware update so it can also record 4K? Or is it impossible with the hardware 'ingredients'?

And, is it possible to build in the new CMOS sensor into the BMCC 2.5K, or does a lot hardware 'ingredients' have to chance to make that happen?


Really curious what kinda firmware updates can do to the BMCC 2.5K!

Wow. People are truly never happy. Customers asked for an S35 chip, Blackmagic delivered, customers response "well, I didn't want it now". Hey customers, guess what? It's not about you. Stop trying to hold this company accountable for your unhappiness. What is it you can't do with what you have now? What project is so pressing that if you don't deliver it with the latest tech you've somehow failed. I'm sure Blackmagic is doing their best to keep up with your requests as well as fulfill their backorder hell. Give it a rest. And Blackmagic, get it right and release it, as you're to blame as well for making promises you can't keep. Customers, you have other options, stop acting like this camera is your savior, because their are way more talented DP's out there making a name for themselves with what they have, instead of blaming what they don't have for what they couldn't be.

+1

Is it possible the BMCC 2.5K gets an Firmware update so it can also record 4K? Or is it impossible with the hardware 'ingredients'?

And, is it possible to build in the new CMOS sensor into the BMCC 2.5K, or does a lot hardware 'ingredients' have to chance to make that happen?


Really curious what kinda firmware updates can do to the BMCC 2.5K!

How would a 2.5k sensor deliver a 4k image? Firmware can't make the sensor bigger. The new 4k camera has a completely different sensor. That is how it's able to record a 4k image. That with updated hardware.

Is it possible the BMCC 2.5K gets an Firmware update so it can also record 4K? Or is it impossible with the hardware 'ingredients'?

And, is it possible to build in the new CMOS sensor into the BMCC 2.5K, or does a lot hardware 'ingredients' have to chance to make that happen?


Really curious what kinda firmware updates can do to the BMCC 2.5K!

The 2.5k has a 2.5k sensor, 4k out of that isn't going to be firmware.

Just buy the 4k model if you want that... Don't forget you lose dynamic range in the new sensor.

There are plenty of features that could be added in camera, but there are hardware limitations. There's only so much software level witchcraft can help.

Sound levels and SSD space indicators should both be possible. Higher resolutions nope.

Is it possible the BMCC 2.5K gets an Firmware update so it can also record 4K? Or is it impossible with the hardware 'ingredients'?

And, is it possible to build in the new CMOS sensor into the BMCC 2.5K, or does a lot hardware 'ingredients' have to chance to make that happen?


Really curious what kinda firmware updates can do to the BMCC 2.5K!

The 2.5k has a 2.5k sensor, 4k out of that isn't going to be firmware.

Just buy the 4k model if you want that... Don't forget you lose dynamic range in the new sensor.

There are plenty of features that could be added in camera, but there are hardware limitations. There's only so much software level witchcraft can help.

Sound levels and SSD space indicators should both be possible. Higher resolutions nope.

Now I'm reading this.. I think... dohhh ..


Soz

Yes you loose 1 stop of dynamic range, but the real deal is how compressed the image looks. The global shutter and 4K image will probably look so good that it's better to have one stop less dynamic range then a rolling shutter 2.5K image. Don't forget that the debayering process down to 1080p for most deliveries as of now will make the image even better and the global shutter is a joy when doing VFX work. Finally we can do a 3D track of the camera without it falling into scew mode.

Global shutter for VFX work is highly welcomed by me. I have been annoyed the past five years or so about the departure from CCD to CMOS in semi-pro cameras with a lot of rolling shutter as the result, which really made tracking and compositing difficult at times naturally. Hopefully the global shutter feature on the 4k camera will eliminate this issue, or at least minimize it. I won't put any faith in it until I see a visual confirmation however

Has anyone seen this?

Record Times for 4K Resolution using ProRes™
240Gb - 36 Mins
480Gb - 72 Mins

That's using ProRes for the 4K, imagine the rates with the compressed DNG...

I think some people are drooling over a camera that actually doesn't fit their needs.

i hear allot of words of new cameras , and BMD good for you - really honest , good for you
but have you forgot about a little camera that started this all and the users which is waiting endlessly without a single word or update

CAN I PLEASE GET DATES FOR SHIPPING OF THE MFT , WHICH I AM WAITING A YEAR FOR !?!??

I would really like to know why Genlock and XLR has been omitted again? I would rather have had more I/O choice on the 2.5K than a 4K alternative:(

Is there an upgrade path? I waited 8 months for the first one now its outdated in 1 month :-/

+1 for an upgrade path!!!

I would gladly pay $1000 and send our camera in for a sensor upgrade as we did from Red One to MX

+1

You guys are missing one, huge, piece of information here. Does anyone see a year next to that July shipping date? I sure don't. They surely didn't mean this year guys, that's three months away. July 2014...duh! So all you belly achers can calm down about your camera being obsolete so quickly after getting it. You'll have at least another year with it before the 4k comes out...geesh!

In all seriousness, I don't understand the "BMD owes me something because I just got my camera a week ago". Did you really think BMD was spending the entire past year doing nothing while they waited for another company to fix the sensor issue? Hell no! They pushed forward, and why wouldn't they? I'm not going to have an entire R&D team sitting there doing nothing while we wait for another company to get their crap together. Of course I would try to push the limits even more. Smaller package, yup! Higher specs in the same package, yup! If you thought they would come to NAB this year without making waves, you clearly don't understand how this business works.

Enjoy the camera you have now, it's a beautiful, although quirky, tool for the job. It's the Zooey Deschanel of cameras. This release didn't make that camera any worse. You had great plans for it before, how are those plans ruined? Quit getting so wrapped up in the tools and get more wrapped up in the craft and the talent. You could be using an Alexa, but if you're pointing that Alexa at Jamie Kennedy...chances are your film is still gonna suck. (Sorry Jamie, had to make that comment after watching Heckler on Netflix). And really, the new one is $4000. If you're worth a darn, you could easily make $4000 in jobs with a BMCC to pay for the new one, then you'd have 2 awesome cameras. It's not like they pulled a RED and dropped the price of the Epic by half.

It's July 2013...

25th July 2013

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=blackmagic+camera+4k&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=%3CSPAN%3Ego%3C%2FSPAN%3E

I know it's 2013, I was just kidding. I already have mine pre-ordered. Canceled my BMCC pre-order with B&H for it. Figure if the 4k looks like crap, I'll just get a BMCC instead, and a pocket camera.

I can't wait to collect the whole set!

Ha, each one has its own damn cool ability.

Is there an upgrade path? I waited 8 months for the first one now its outdated in 1 month :-/

+1 for an upgrade path!!!

My camera is less than a week old. Now a camera from the same company has a camera for only a $1000 more and is 4k and 35mm sensor and will be ready to ship in less than 3 months. One stop isn't worth a grand to me. I've never had such buyers remorse.

Then maybe you should take up knitting? Cameras that cost $100K 5 years ago can now be had for less than $10K, that's how tech works. But your camera isn't even obsolete!!!

Right now you have the best cinema camera in the world for the price. There is nothing better. It's a camera would cost you >$10K, if it wasn't for Black Magic.

And please don't forget, you have no idea about what the image is going to look like off the BMPC. There is a consensus out there that the BMCC produces the best cinematic image that can be had for under $10K. Can you be sure that the entirely different sensor in the BMPC is going to be lauded the same way??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Frustration with delivery delays are one thing: that sucks and people have a right to complain about broken promises. But would everyone please stop acting like Black Magic f-ed your girlfriend while you weren't looking, just because they announced some new products.

My camera is less than a week old. Now a camera from the same company has a camera for only a $1000 more and is 4k and 35mm sensor and will be ready to ship in less than 3 months. One stop isn't worth a grand to me. I've never had such buyers remorse.

Then maybe you should take up knitting? Cameras that cost $100K 5 years ago can now be had for less than $10K, that's how tech works. But your camera isn't even obsolete!!!

Right now you have the best cinema camera in the world for the price. There is nothing better. It's a camera would cost you >$10K, if it wasn't for Black Magic.

And please don't forget, you have no idea about what the image is going to look like off the BMPC. There is a consensus out there that the BMCC produces the best cinematic image that can be had for under $20K. Can you be sure that the entirely different sensor in the BMPC is going to be lauded the same way??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Frustration with delivery delays are one thing: that sucks and people have a right to complain about broken promises. But would everyone please stop acting like Black Magic f-ed your girlfriend while you weren't looking, just because they announced some new products.

Not sure theres consensous that it's better than the scarlet. It can certainly compete but if its beating the scarlet then it must be practically on par with the epic which is over 20k.

Not sure there's consensus that it's better than the scarlet. It can certainly compete but if its beating the scarlet then it must be practically on par with the epic which is over 20k.

A fair point, i meant under $10K (typo). But that being said, I have yet to see anything from Scarlet that looks quite this good:

Not sure there's consensus that it's better than the scarlet. It can certainly compete but if its beating the scarlet then it must be practically on par with the epic which is over 20k.

A fair point, i meant under $10K (typo). But that being said, I have yet to see anything from Scarlet that looks quite this good:

Scarlet suffers from having the epic to steal all the pretty jobs off it, even if the scarlet covers all the settings to be used the glamour of the epic......

For all the doomsdayers, check out this video with the president Dan May. The BMPC is an awesome cam but only shoots prores right now, 12 stops and is not as sharp as the BMCC.

Thanks, Sam. That video makes me feel more confident that the BMCC is still relevant in it's own regard and that it's not being discontinued, as others have been prematurely speculating. That said, it does nothing to tell us how BMCC backlog is being addressed, which I think is the bigger issue. Of course, Dan might not have the most up to date info here in the US, but the complete lack of any new BMCC EF and/or MFT update whatsoever coming out of the biggest trade show of the year doesn't inspire a ton of confidence that the earlier model is the top manufacturing priority. I get that this is how trade shows work, and that updates on backorders aren't as flashy for NAB headlines as new models, but it doesn't mean we can't be a little annoyed, does it?

For all the doomsdayers, check out this video with the president Dan May. The BMPC is an awesome cam but only shoots prores right now, 12 stops and is not as sharp as the BMCC.

I don't understand how a 4K camera could be less sharper than a 2,5K camera?