Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

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Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostFri Oct 12, 2018 9:45 pm

You can no longer copy and paste from a timeline in one project to another. I get the error about framerates etc. not being the same - even though they are. This is a pretty big issue, unless you're constantly doing projects that have nothing to do with each other.

This goes along with:
- Blur dissolve, after three versions, still doesn't work right
- Transparency - it got better, then it got worse - first there was all kinds of artifacting, then there just wasn't any transparency unless you re-sized or cropped and now?
- Left fill/Right fill. Fundamental need per clip. I don't want to build a million audio tracks - I'd like to have one for dialog, one for music and one for SFX. That's a pretty typical setup for most (I'd wager 90%+ of editors)
- Waveforms occasionally disappearing.
- Audio played in reverse no longer uses the correct part of the clip.
- A whole ton of other bugs, as a casual glance in the this forum will attest to.

These are simple, fundamental things that have either been ignored over several versions or broken. I made a prediction on this forum that with the inclusion of Fairlight, the BMD team bit off more than they could chew - given the current rash of bugs, crashes and half-assed fixes I see that indeed appears to be the case.

My professional advice to the BMD team - I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it really doesn't matter how many bells and whistles a tool has, if it doesn't work, or if it prevents you from completing your job efficiently (or at all), it won't get used. Version 16 should have only basic new functionality (left/right fill in my case, I'm sure there are few simple things others might need that are basic to the task at hand) and fix all the bugs and flat out broken things in the software. I really don't think any serious editor will bemoan the loss of Fairlight - it's simply not necessary for what editors do, and is a project unto itself. I know there's a guy here who's trying to use Resolve as a DAW - that's like using a hammer to drill a hole. The wrong tool for the job. Release Fairlight as a stand-alone DAW that integrates with Resolve (like Fusion); but this all-in-one stuff causes too many problems. I can't tell you how many times I've had to manually edit my registry because the Fairlight installer was broken for several releases. Just dump it and focus on what we need. Please. The Fusion integration is nice, but I haven't used it yet, so I can't comment on it.

I'm responsible for Comcast switching to Resolve, Roland Martin's new production facility and my own plant. I'm starting to look a bit foolish for that suggestion unless you guys can get your ducks in a row.

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Re: Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 12:09 am

AlexLTDLX wrote:You can no longer copy and paste from a timeline in one project to another. I get the error about framerates etc. not being the same - even though they are. This is a pretty big issue, unless you're constantly doing projects that have nothing to do with each other.


Works fine for me. As for the rest, I'd suggest you edit your post with links to the original threads, I had to do a search to find out what you were on about as it's quite confusingly worded. Also, it's a good idea to have your complete system specs in your signature.

Although I've never come across an editor who only uses a single track each for dialogue/music/FX.
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Re: Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 12:16 am

AlexLTDLX wrote:Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

You should post your system specs: What OS? What hardware (CPU, GPU, RAM, I/O)? What type of camera source files? What type of timeline and framerates? Also, post a link to your DRP and let the support people take a look at it.

I know cutting and pasting between timelines worked as of last week on 15.1.1 under Mac OSX, since I did it for my most recent project, but I just updated the OS yesterday and will try some more tests.

BMD made it very clear in their presentations at NAB in April that they want to provide editing, VFX, sound, and color in a single program and allow for collaborative projects. At my company, we're not using many of the features in Fusion or Fairlight yet, but the straight conform, editing, and color are working for us. We had a few hiccups in saving and rendering, but I think those are nailed down now. I do agree that reliability should be Job #1, but I think BMD has demonstrated that they're devoting a massive amount of resources and effort to getting that done.
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Re: Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 12:48 am

As it says in my .sig, I'm still waiting to see that DR15 is stable enough to warrant moving from DR14.

My time is important to me and I don't want to be fighting bugs in the software I rely on to earn my living (as many seem to be doing with DR15).

Now I realise that a lot of folk seem to be using DR15 quite happily, either content to put up with the bugs or work around them -- or perhaps never using the problematic aspects of the software.

One of the things that I was most impressed with when switching to DR14 was its stability -- so I'm reluctant to go from a version that has only crashed twice in over 6 months of heavy use, to one that is obviously far less robust.

So I'll carry on with DR14 and when I recommend DR to others, I strongly suggest they use V14 rather than V15, until it's as reliable.

Does BMD publish a bug-list with status report? This would be a fantastic way for people to:

a) see that their bug reports have been acknowledged and given a priority
b) determine if the known bugs will affect their own particular workflows
c) give everyone the confidence that creating a stable release is a priority for BMD.

Now it's time for me to get back to work and hack some more footage!
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Re: Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 8:31 am

Marc Wielage wrote:
AlexLTDLX wrote:Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

You should post your system specs: What OS? What hardware (CPU, GPU, RAM, I/O)? What type of camera source files? What type of timeline and framerates? Also, post a link to your DRP and let the support people take a look at it.

I know cutting and pasting between timelines worked as of last week on 15.1.1 under Mac OSX, since I did it for my most recent project, but I just updated the OS yesterday and will try some more tests.

BMD made it very clear in their presentations at NAB in April that they want to provide editing, VFX, sound, and color in a single program and allow for collaborative projects. At my company, we're not using many of the features in Fusion or Fairlight yet, but the straight conform, editing, and color are working for us. We had a few hiccups in saving and rendering, but I think those are nailed down now. I do agree that reliability should be Job #1, but I think BMD has demonstrated that they're devoting a massive amount of resources and effort to getting that done.


Marc's reply here is comprehensive and yet reassuring., and AlexLTDLX would do well to follow Marc's well-reasoned advice so system issues are properly evaluated so as to engender fact-based discovery and solutions rather than uncorroborated presumption.

Add to that, the presumption that one's difficulties lie largely in the software's inclusion of FAIRLIGHT and also that its inclusion is overkill for a [modern] DAW, or that editors largely don't care about the functionality FAIRLIGHT offers --

Such sweeping generalizations and assumptions in light of problems he's experiencing begs for the poster to focus on getting his system's integrity evaluated (e.g., is the registry damaged causing lots of the ills cited?) rather than waste time and energy bemoaning the fact that Resolve's just too feature-rich for his personal preference and felt needs.

I surely hope he follows Marc's solid advice and gets to enjoy use of a solid Resolve again.

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Re: Yet another thing that's broken in 15.1.1...

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 5:35 pm

You can no longer copy and paste from a timeline in one project to another. I get the error about framerates etc. not being the same - even though they are.


not seeing that behavior here, windoze10

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