No BMD announcement of any kind., strange

they've had to artificially cripple their old 4.6K G2 camera for their new camera to even differentiate itself from the older model..

In what way do think they cripple the G2 ?

JB

No Gen 5, no 7.3 ui with the better waveforms and the customizable guide lines.

Of course, an irony of this thread is that if there is a new BMD camera about to be launched, JB has probably already seen it, touched, and extensively tested it! He just can't tell us about it, like an itch you can't scratch.

Steve

they've had to artificially cripple their old 4.6K G2 camera for their new camera to even differentiate itself from the older model..

In what way do think they cripple the G2 ?

JB

No Gen 5, no 7.3 ui with the better waveforms and the customizable guide lines.

That’s hardly an artificial crippling.

That’s more a prioritising of the small dev team and possibly hardware limitations.

JB

Imagine this: Wednesday, April 13th the announcement comes out via Twitter & Facebook that there will be a Camera Update Live Stream for Saturday April 16th. Then April 16th, on the 10-Year Anniversary of the Original Cinema Camera Announcement Blackmagic Design announces a brand new camera system. The press goes wild. Cinematographers go wild. Pre-Orders are placed in rapid procession. It becomes the hottest selling camera of the year.

NAB Blackmagic Announces DaVinci Resolve 18 on day 1; April 23rd. Public Beta is available that day. Public Beta Testers love it! It greatly improves over the beta period with even more new features. Public Master Release in June. People quickly abandon Adobe and Avid for the latest version, and it becomes the prime post-production solution in the industry.

Academy Awards 2024: Best Cinematography goes to a movie shot on the newest Blackmagic Camera announced on April 16th, 2022. Best Editing goes to a movie edited in DaVinci Resolve 18/19.

That’s hardly an artificial crippling.

That’s more a prioritising of the small dev team and possibly hardware limitations.

JB

I realise there's a limit to what they can do, but if they can do it on a five year old Pocket 4k than they should be able to do it on the then two year old G2, in my opinion, if only from a support standpoint.

Pocket 4K launched in september 2018. UM Pro G2 launched in March 2019, but maybe the internal processing is more related to the original Pro and therefore has more limitations? We just don't know.

Pocket 4K launched in september 2018. UM Pro G2 launched in March 2019, but maybe the internal processing is more related to the original Pro and therefore has more limitations? We just don't know.

The G2 is still a wonderful camera. i would say "not priorizing" the support of a camera in favor of another camera is also some kind of crippling.

Maybe Gen 4 is also better suited for the fairchild sensor of the G2, than Gen 5. I dont know. But i think an official Statement for some clarification would be nice for everyone owning a G2.

Intentional crippling ??

The 12k doesn’t even have ProRes! You can’t do Gen5 to ProRes in the 12k either!?!

But you can access Gen 5 on both cameras to ProRes via BRAW.

This kind of comment makes no sense.

A 12k owner could argue the 12k is also crippled intentionally by that logic.

This is about resources and a small camera development team.

There’s a massive difference between deliberate crippling and prioritising your small resources.

JB

Seems that the neighbor's grass is greener.
If you prefer you can think about canon’s home where often to unlock feature you should install an external software like magic lantern, or in Sony home where often you should buy higher camera to have only a 10bit compressed or pay to upgrade firmware to have external recording raw, or Panasonic home where also log is a pay optional on some photo cam (Lumix Gh5) …
I used most of brands named and I admire and I like a lot Blackmagic Design that gift us by camera update new feature, better working camera and more.

Blackmagic Design change the market, give us many chance to work with great cameras at a fraction of price of other brands.
Bmd products are perfect? No, like others…
I used also Sony, red, arri and all had their limits.
Obviously I wann’t compare a 50-80k camera with a 5k camera, different market and different support, but I can admire what they can do for us for a less bucks.


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To be fair that was a long time ago. The Canon C70 for instance is a very capable camera for video.

The Panasonic GH6 now comes with both ProRes and V-Log (no need for the paid upgrade to V-Log Light).

Of course, this would probably not have happened if Blackmagic hadn't led the way in this price range.

Pocket 12k. Fully modular. EF mount, pl mount option. Built in tripod. Built in propeller’s for drone work. Built in slider. All weighing under 1 pound. Coming soon. YouTube influencer videos will never be the same


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I wonder if a new camera would tie in to the DaVinci Resolve Cloud, whatever it is.


Maybe it's just updates to the version available on Amazon Web Services, but it looks more substantial as it's the first time they've mentioned Cloud that way in their marketing.

By the way, if the filenames of images on the Blackmagic homepage are to be believed, the new DaVinci Resolve isn't version 18, but 17.5.

It doesn't appear to talk about any hardware but what they are announcing could be something extraordinary.

Ricardo Marty

Well folks, I was wrong. It appears as if there will be no new camera announcement at NAB this year. The 12K and the UMP G2 are back in stock at a lot of dealers, knocking down my theory of lack of product availability pointing to a new release.

I would like to see a new camera from BMD, but the more I think about it, not even sure if I would get it. For all my interviews and corporate gigs in the last 8 months I've exclusively used Sony cameras (FX6, FX3 and A7SIII), and even though I prefer the more organic looking image of BMD cameras, the ability to rely on autofocus has been a major stress reducer. Anyone who has ever filmed talking heads, knows the annoying tendency of talent to move or lean forward during a take. Reliable smooth autofocus has been a game changer. For my TV commercial work I haven't shot with my BMD cameras since June of last year, primarily renting Alexa Mini and LF, as there are a ton of owner/operators who rent inexpensively because there are so many cameras out there. And once Arri introduces their new S35 4k camera, used Minis will most certainly go down in price.

It used to be that you needed a more "pro looking" camera to do paid work, and for the higher end stuff, this is still a must, but for small to medium gigs, the new smaller Sony and Canon cameras like the FX3 and R5C are okay. Not sure if I should invest in a new non-autofocus camera at this point.

Well folks, I was wrong. It appears as if there will be no new camera announcement at NAB this year. The 12K and the UMP G2 are back in stock at a lot of dealers, knocking down my theory of lack of product availability pointing to a new release.

I would like to see a new camera from BMD, but the more I think about it, not even sure if I would get it. For all my interviews and corporate gigs in the last 8 months I've exclusively used Sony cameras (FX6, FX3 and A7SIII), and even though I prefer the more organic looking image of BMD cameras, the ability to rely on autofocus has been a major stress reducer. Anyone who has ever filmed talking heads, knows the annoying tendency of talent to move or lean forward during a take. Reliable smooth autofocus has been a game changer. For my TV commercial work I haven't shot with my BMD cameras since June of last year, primarily renting Alexa Mini and LF, as there are a ton of owner/operators who rent inexpensively because there are so many cameras out there. And once Arri introduces their new S35 4k camera, used Minis will most certainly go down in price.

It used to be that you needed a more "pro looking" camera to do paid work, and for the higher end stuff, this is still a must, but for small to medium gigs, the new smaller Sony and Canon cameras like the FX3 and R5C are okay. Not sure if I should invest in a new non-autofocus camera at this point.

+1

BMD are going to lose people to NDI, and to Continuous Autofocus.

Well folks, I was wrong. It appears as if there will be no new camera announcement at NAB this year.

Bummer. When was the last time they announced a camera at NAB without prior fanfare?

Well folks, I was wrong. It appears as if there will be no new camera announcement at NAB this year.

Bummer. When was the last time they announced a camera at NAB without prior fanfare?

2018 when they unveiled the Pocket 4K. The Pocket 4K was only teased based on banners at the show and people's cell photos of those banner. Then it was announced at NAB 2018.

Is a new camera announcement totally off the table, or just a new flagship product?

We don't know anything yet. Anything can happen.

Although they say DaVinci Resolve and "latest news in post production and cloud collaboration" they could still drop a new camera.

Maybe they switched it up. Resolve on the 18th, and at NAB on the 23rd a new camera. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm very excited to hear what they have coming for Resolve.

The 12K and the UMP G2 are back in stock at a lot of dealers, knocking down my theory of lack of product availability pointing to a new release.

If this is the case, then I hope BMD will release an updated firmware for the G2 from all the requests that were made in this forum for the last 2 years, and more. Otherwise, it's buying a new camera with old firmware, older than the Pockets.

Well I live in hope. The next camera doesn't necessarily have to replace the flagship if it's going to be a departure from the Ursa Mini body, does it?

Not necessarily, but it’s going to depend upon what the camera look like and can do that is different compared to the others currently sold.

It's very rare that any new BMD camera just replaces an old BMD camera. They almost always are not direct replacements. The only time I can think of is the G2 being a direct upgrade to the G1.

JB

Just looking up this Forbes article about billionaire Grant Petty

https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifrin/2022/04/11/how-an-aussie-from-the-housing-projects-became-a-billionaire-making-gear-for-next-gen-spielbergs/?sh=59b70cb2718c

Kinefinity’s mounts weren’t smart mounts aside from EF though right?

That’s because Sony don’t allow it. So an e mount would be mechanical only. No iris or focus or IS. Not very useful.

RF would be the same. It’s not available to use. Canon cameras only.

The only reason Komodo has it is because they likely did an IP swap to allow canon cameras to have a bit raw recording internally.

L mount is a possible option.

EF is goood because it exists and a huge number of lenses are out there.

What else is there that’s accessible?

Nikon maybe. But the lenses focus the “wrong” way.

Fuji, but they don’t make 135 lenses.

JB

Do you know who Nikon got in bed with for an IP swap to get internal N-Raw recording for its Z9 camera?

Just looking up this Forbes article about billionaire Grant Petty

https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifrin/2022/04/11/how-an-aussie-from-the-housing-projects-became-a-billionaire-making-gear-for-next-gen-spielbergs/?sh=59b70cb2718c

Deserves being recognized for the great disruptions and shake up’s that he has opened up for the film/tv/sound making community


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Do you know who Nikon got in bed with for an IP swap to get internal N-Raw recording for its Z9 camera?

Few things that are interesting. Nikon has announced they will do ProRes raw INTERNAL as well as NRAW internal.

Quite a few companies have announced ProRes RAW internal only to later retract it. Let’s see if Nikon get any further. They would actually be the first to make a camera that does ProRes RAW internal.

I don’t know enough about NRAW. It could be that Nikon just paid RED what they want. It could also be NRAW is like BRAW and have found a way around the technicalities of the patent.

The lenses still focus the wrong way.

JB

Nikon released the mother of all firmware updates for the Z9 today.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1609186690/nikon-z9-firmware-adds-internal-8k-60p-raw-capture-120hz-evf-upgrade-pre-buffer-more

Nikon released the mother of all firmware updates for the Z9 today.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/1609186690/nikon-z9-firmware-adds-internal-8k-60p-raw-capture-120hz-evf-upgrade-pre-buffer-more

No. They announced it.

You can’t download it just yet….

JB

Ah, release on Wednesday next week (reviewers have tested a closed beta). And N-RAW is supported in the latest DaVinci Resolve on launch.

Ah, release on Wednesday next week (reviewers have tested a closed beta). And N-RAW is supported in the latest DaVinci Resolve on launch.

Yeah, Gerald Undone has his video up today: https://www.youtube.com/c/geraldundone/videos

He has a bit of a look at NRAW in the Resolve RAW Tab with REC2020 and NLog options.

The lenses still focus the wrong way.

JB

Maybe that is not important, you know if Nikon give BMD eye focus via the viewfinder such as for the Pocket 6k in exchange for a bit of BRAW DNA. I heard NRAW is already support by Resolve now that is quick.

Hoping for a cube-ish based design, with an 8K RGBWW sensor with global shutter and 15+ stops of DR.

The lenses still focus the wrong way.

JB

Maybe that is not important, you know if Nikon give BMD eye focus via the viewfinder such as for the Pocket 6k in exchange for a bit of BRAW DNA. I heard NRAW is already support by Resolve now that is quick.

Resolve is always very fast to support new codecs. It’s their thing to do so.

Nikon have a long history of being ignored for cinema use because they focus the wrong way. It matters a lot.

That’s why if you look at the cinema converted lens market, it’s almost always canon EF or canon FD or Contax or even Leica. I just old Olympus OM's are starting to take off now. Rarely Nikon. If it is, the good conversions will change them to focus the “right” way but this is very hard and more expensive to do. A lot of follow focus units can do a reverse direction too.

But Nikon suck big time once you’re used to that muscle memory. It screws you up then going back to the right way once you’ve spent time on them.

It’s like constantly driving on the wrong side of the road. And in a moment when you need to do a focus pill you’ll second guess which direction you have to go...

JB

The lenses still focus the wrong way.

JB

Focusing in the wrong direction was a problem of the older F-mount lenses. Nikon Z mount cameras have the ability to change focus direction of Nikkor Z mount lenses in the menu because they are focus by wire. So it's possible, but not really useful because of the electronic focus.

The great thing is that the Nikon Z mount flange focal distance is shorter than even the Sony E mount, so very easy to adapt to nearly any lens use, including EF and PL mount.

For me the biggest problem with manual focus Nikkor F mount lenses was not the focus direction, but how sloppy the helicoid could be. Even on adapting the lens with an EF mount and used in on a locking EF mount like a Leitax mount on Alexa or a RED EF locking mount, the image would jiggle. This is a problem with all stills lenses even Leica R and notoriously Contax Zeiss. These old stills lenses really need to be rehoused to make them useful in a professional environment. I have a set of Nikkors that I loved the image but the helicoid jiggle would make me so upset. Never use them anymore.

But Nikon suck big time once you’re used to that muscle memory. It screws you up then going back to the right way once you’ve spent time on them.

It’s like constantly driving on the wrong side of the road. And in a moment when you need to do a focus pill you’ll second guess which direction you have to go...

JB

I feel the same about the Tilta Follow Focus units I have. I have the Tilta (FF-T03) Single-sided DSLR Follow Focus and the (FF-T06) Tiltaing Mini Follow Focus. They both pull focus in the wrong direction compared to others. And, you can't reverse the direction.

Both units when mounted on the camera and lens focus close when you pull away from the camera towards the subject, and focus far when you pull towards the camera. This from what I know is the opposite of every other focus unit.

The Tilta Nucleus M is the only one that allows you reverse direction. However, now my muscle memory is screwed up by the manual hand units.

Either way, your analogy of driving on the wrong side of the road is spot on.

The lenses still focus the wrong way.

JB

Maybe that is not important, you know if Nikon give BMD eye focus via the viewfinder such as for the Pocket 6k in exchange for a bit of BRAW DNA. I heard NRAW is already support by Resolve now that is quick.

Hopefully, there will be p-raw, F-raw, and many more cousins


Ricardo Marty

I am trying NRAW with the Z9 and nothing works 17.4.6 or 18 beta I only have audio files in the media pool ?

Are you using an Apple M1? Another user reported it working on his PC but not on his M1.
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=158840

Is anyone attending NAB this weekend? Anyone want to scan the outside of the buildings for banners? Haha

Is anyone attending NAB this weekend? Anyone want to scan the outside of the buildings for banners? Haha

I know Frame Voyager (John Owens) is attending. We've spoken about it and I've given him some questions to ask BMD. Will be working on some more questions for him to ask tomorrow after playing with Resolve 18. I am still testing the Cloud and 18 features.

Camera wise, I have things I'd ask, but are still on a level of asking a lot of changes based on all my massively crazy pitches over the years. Things like the Wireless Video Assists that control the cameras. Nonetheless, I'm interested to see what they may announce still for NAB.

It's looking like Resolve and a new camera were switched. Resolve 18 and Blackmagic Cloud were announced first, and the camera will be on Day 1 of NAB is my guess. But, I could be wrong. I'm a dreamer, so I'll have hope.

Camera wise, I have things I'd ask, but are still on a level of asking a lot of changes based on all my massively crazy pitches over the years. Things like the Wireless Video Assists that control the cameras. Nonetheless, I'm interested to see what they may announce still for NAB.

It's looking like Resolve and a new camera were switched. Resolve 18 and Blackmagic Cloud were announced first, and the camera will be on Day 1 of NAB is my guess. But, I could be wrong. I'm a dreamer, so I'll have hope.

Built in wireless video assist would be great. I don't know a lot about the new streaming features of the Broadcast G2's latest firmware, but I wonder if it has the ability to send webcam formatted video out from the USB-C. This way I can plug it straight into my MacBook for live streaming camera feed for clients via zoom and more. I wouldn't need to use an SDI to HDMI converter and an Elgato Cam Link 4K. Just make the UBG2 output what the ATEM Mini does. Hopefully it can do it now.

Another cool feature would be Bluetooth audio monitoring like the Arri Amira has. This seems like a real simple feature to add to a camera. Not even Sony FX6 has this ability. You'd think that Sony would put bluetooth audio monitoring in all their cameras, especially because Sony makes blutooth headphones.

Hmmm... Bluetooth Headphones still aren't as reliable for me as hard wired ones. So, I'll pass on that.

What I mainly want from a Wireless Video Assist is the Wireless Camera Control. Having the touch screen controls that you would have on the LCD attached to the UMP, but in the Video Assist. So when you hit ISO you can change ISO on the camera. When you hit Color Temperature, you change it on the camera. This is to enable more flexibility when needing to use an external monitor.

If you look at the way you output that to the Viewfinder already, but then use the on camera dial to change those settings, then you get what I'm aiming at. But it's via Bluetooth or Wireless Wi-Fi, and it uses the Touch Screen capability of the Video Assist.

BMD will have plenty of space to show some new cameras at NAB.

It's looking like Resolve and a new camera were switched. Resolve 18 and Blackmagic Cloud were announced first, and the camera will be on Day 1 of NAB is my guess. But, I could be wrong. I'm a dreamer, so I'll have hope.

I have a feeling that a new camera might have been delayed by the ongoing disruptions, like the current shipping crunch resulting from the Shanghai lockdowns (last I heard there were 500+ container ships waiting for berths there), the power shortfalls that have been affecting even TSMC, and chip (and materials for MAKING chips) shortages, etc. I'm looking forward to whatever new cameras BMD has up its sleeve, but not holding my breath for a NAB reveal, mainly because everything else on the planet is such a shambles at the moment.

But if BMD does announce an ultracompact variant of the 12K that I'm hoping for sooner or later, I'm on it -- a Raptor/Mavo Edge style chassis with BMD 12K sensor would be the bee's knees for mountaineering nutters and backpackers.

BMD will have plenty of space to show some new cameras at NAB.

Wow! Looks like BM is on the PR offensive.

Let's hope the space isn't indicative of the size of the new camera - hand-holding it would definitely be out!

BMD will have plenty of space to show some new cameras at NAB.

Wow! Looks like BM is on the PR offensive.

Let's hope the space isn't indicative of the size of the new camera - hand-holding it would definitely be out!

BMD have had the largest stand at NAB for at least the last 5 years

JB

Some big hitters are skipping this party, TV peep are having a hard time letting go of Covid.

Grass Valley
Sony
Ikegami
Panasonic
Fujinon
Canon
AJA
Barco
Roe
Disguise

Good Luck

Are you saying that judging by the picture I posted? That's just one of the halls. Sony has a huge area in another hall.

I didn't check them all, but Grass Valley, Panasonic, Canon USA, Fujinon etc will be there too.